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How Effective Is A .22?
#46
[quote name='Stitch' date='12 February 2011 - 11:48 AM' timestamp='1297529312' post='510120']

[quote name='RogerSP' date='12 February 2011 - 09:38 AM' timestamp='1297528702' post='510119']

Using spent casings for bullets doesn't sound too good for the barrel. I'd rather stick to lead and copper, stuff that isn't going to wear out the barrel quickly. Could always melt down some plastic, use wood, wax, paper (spitball baby!), and other things.

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I do not think this would be any more abusive to the barrel than something like a Remington Golden Sabre or a Barnes solid.



http://www.swagedies.com/mm5/merchant.mv...y_Code=BSD



They are as accurate as any commercial bullet, produce less barrel wear due to their lower friction (half the thickness, up to six times the zinc content compared to commercial bullets), and extremely explosive on impact even at modest speeds.



Back to the topic in this thread. ***CAUTION THE BELOW LINK CONTAINS VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES.***



http://books.google.com/books?id=JpwNhdc...&q&f=false



Taking the .22lr to the next level - jacketed bullets.



http://rimfireuniverse.com/

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Can't find any prices or how to order from rimfire universe. Have you shot any of their ammo Stitch? what brand is the stamp on the rim?
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#47
Scottman,



I have not shot any yet, but it sure has me interested. If I find a source I will let you know.



My wife has a S$W 317 that we tried some 60 grain Agulia. They fired fine. They empties did not want to eject. I had to tap the ejector with a stick to get them out. I still need to run some through my CZ452.



Stitch
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#48
22lr case is pretty close to 224 outside dia.so jacketed bullet would not enter case-however 22mag is 224inside dia. so 224 bullets will fit.
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#49
Interesting... I never noticed that those bullets were brass jacketed. I'm going to see about trying some of those Barnes solids with the Trail Boss powder to see what kind of performance they have to offer. The solid brass should be good for small game, it won't expand so minimal to no meat will be lost.



$800 for the swaging tools... I could buy A LOT of .22 LR ammo for that much.



Rimfire universe... now those look pretty impressive but digging around a bit its either a hoax or the business didn't actually go well. I didn't dig through the whole thread... too long:



http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/sho...p?t=232659





[quote name='Stitch' date='12 February 2011 - 11:48 AM' timestamp='1297529312' post='510120']

I do not think this would be any more abusive to the barrel than something like a Remington Golden Sabre or a Barnes solid.



http://www.swagedies.com/mm5/merchant.mv...y_Code=BSD



They are as accurate as any commercial bullet, produce less barrel wear due to their lower friction (half the thickness, up to six times the zinc content compared to commercial bullets), and extremely explosive on impact even at modest speeds.



Back to the topic in this thread. ***CAUTION THE BELOW LINK CONTAINS VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES.***



http://books.google.com/books?id=JpwNhdc...&q&f=false



Taking the .22lr to the next level - jacketed bullets.



http://rimfireuniverse.com/

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#50
[quote name='zengunfighter' date='03 February 2011 - 05:22 PM' timestamp='1296782540' post='508890']

BTW....



If I had to go out in the woods and was only allowed one gun, and only the ammo I could carry, I'd pick a .22...

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Ditto....



Years ago in a place called Monache Meadows (sierra mountains) I met an old guy who lived in a log cabin. Long story about how we met but the short of it is that he regularly killed black bears with his .22LR. One or two to the eye at less than 50 yards was his optimum he said. He liked the .22 because it did the job and never attracted the wardens. He fed himself on bear and mulies for years with a .22. He traded the skins for canned goods and booze.



My 10/22 and a couple of other rifles (and pistols) are threaded for my LEGAL silencer. Makes shooting things almost too easy. I do know of Elk and moose having been taken with the .22LR. One guy I spoke with told me where to put that little slug on a moose or Elk.... just behind the front shoulder and between two ribs. That put the slug through the lung. The moose would just jump a bit like they were bit by a horse fly and go back to eating. Pretty soon they would start to wobble and finally once the lungs were full, they'd just fall over. If you hit the rib it was all hell to pay.



Buy 500 rounds of .22lr every two weeks, shoot 100 rounds in the same time. by years end you'll be a great shot and have lots of ammo.



I have larger and much more powerful firearms but like Zen said... if I only had one...



Ron
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#51
[quote name='Ron Hood' date='17 February 2011 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1298001485' post='511015']

[quote name='zengunfighter' date='03 February 2011 - 05:22 PM' timestamp='1296782540' post='508890']

BTW....



If I had to go out in the woods and was only allowed one gun, and only the ammo I could carry, I'd pick a .22...

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Ditto....



Years ago in a place called Monache Meadows (sierra mountains) I met an old guy who lived in a log cabin. Long story about how we met but the short of it is that he regularly killed black bears with his .22LR. One or two to the eye at less than 50 yards was his optimum he said. He liked the .22 because it did the job and never attracted the wardens. He fed himself on bear and mulies for years with a .22. He traded the skins for canned goods and booze.



My 10/22 and a couple of other rifles (and pistols) are threaded for my LEGAL silencer. Makes shooting things almost too easy. I do know of Elk and moose having been taken with the .22LR. One guy I spoke with told me where to put that little slug on a moose or Elk.... just behind the front shoulder and between two ribs. That put the slug through the lung. The moose would just jump a bit like they were bit by a horse fly and go back to eating. Pretty soon they would start to wobble and finally once the lungs were full, they'd just fall over. If you hit the rib it was all hell to pay.



Buy 500 rounds of .22lr every two weeks, shoot 100 rounds in the same time. by years end you'll be a great shot and have lots of ammo.



I have larger and much more powerful firearms but like Zen said... if I only had one...



Ron

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Some inspiration off of Ron's suggestion, buying 400 rounds every two weeks to store is 9600 rounds in a single year. Monthly budget for 1000 rounds lets say about 40 bucks- for standard 2 dollars a box cci blazer. CCI ammo will store for a LOOOONNNNGGGGG time.



Ron- any info on the bullet type/load for those specific shots?



http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrak...rials.html Another link.
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#52
A 22LR monthly budget sound very great idea. What would one say is a good amount to store...10,000?
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#53
[quote name='ton45' date='18 February 2011 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1298055763' post='511096']

A 22LR monthly budget sound very great idea. What would one say is a good amount to store...10,000?[/quote]



That's a decent start. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />



L.W.
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#54
Does anyone know where I can access info about loading rimfires? I know 22lr is cheap right now, and I have quite a bit, but I am interested in the idea.
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#55
[quote name='Txbilly' date='19 February 2011 - 12:56 PM' timestamp='1298138188' post='511254']

Does anyone know where I can access info about loading rimfires? I know 22lr is cheap right now, and I have quite a bit, but I am interested in the idea.

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Actually reloading- making priming compound- like mentioned isn't worth your time. Assuming all your 22 ammo was out the last thing I would want to be doing was trying to make priming compound (EDIT in that situation which means it would be pretty extreme).



A much better "Multi generation SHTF all 22 LR ammo depleted- is a benjamin .22 cal pump up rifle with repair kits from pyramid air, and a way to make lead bullets. EDIT: but the 22 LR comes first.
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#56
[quote name='Txbilly' date='19 February 2011 - 10:56 AM' timestamp='1298138188' post='511254']

Does anyone know where I can access info about loading rimfires? I know 22lr is cheap right now, and I have quite a bit, but I am interested in the idea.

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As per your request.



http://www.amazon.com/Homemade-Guns-Ammo...ewpoints=1
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#57
[quote name='Scottman' date='19 February 2011 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1298138899' post='511257']

[quote name='Txbilly' date='19 February 2011 - 12:56 PM' timestamp='1298138188' post='511254']

Does anyone know where I can access info about loading rimfires? I know 22lr is cheap right now, and I have quite a bit, but I am interested in the idea.

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Actually reloading- making priming compound- like mentioned isn't worth your time. Assuming all your 22 ammo was out the last thing I would want to be doing was trying to make priming compound (EDIT in that situation which means it would be pretty extreme).



A much better "Multi generation SHTF all 22 LR ammo depleted- is a benjamin .22 cal pump up rifle with repair kits from pyramid air, and a way to make lead bullets. EDIT: but the 22 LR comes first.

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I'm sorry I should have been more specific. What I meant was loading preprimed shells. Thanks for the advise though. Thanks for the link Stitch!
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#58
Primed... 5000 cases $95



http://store.thehuntingshack.com/armscor...brass.aspx



Other stuff



http://wolftechmfg.com/Bullets/Rifle/tab...fault.aspx



Take a look at the end of this page

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/sho...p?t=164012
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#59
Good stuff Roger. I have bee n wondering about a half jacke3t liek 30 carbine bullets, mentioned that to WS a while ago. Just never saw that somebody actually made one. too many good links in this thread to read before bed tonight <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />
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#60
Thanks folks lots to learn....now which powder and how much??????? I really like the idea of using your old .22 shells as jackets for new bullets, need to practice this alot to get it down well though I imagine. Alot of fun to have, need to work on building a new shop! Thanks again.
"you are a Free Man. - you have the right to go about peacefully, well-armed."

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