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What Is Wrong With Wolves?
#31
[quote name='Brumbie' date='27 December 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1293407707' post='502296']

160cm is around 5'3". If the man holding the wolf is 5'9" which is the average male height then there would be no image issues at all. The wolfs haunches are above the guys knees in the picture.

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Body length is measured from the tip of the nose - with the head stretched out. In the photo the head is dangling free.



It would be better to have the photo in hi-res; but take a look at the lightsources and shadows in the photo.



The man is casting a light shadow on the grass - the wolf is not. This is normally taken as an indication of a image with does not depict reality truthfully.
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#32
[quote name='Horsevad' date='26 December 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1293409225' post='502302']

[quote name='Brumbie' date='27 December 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1293407707' post='502296']

160cm is around 5'3". If the man holding the wolf is 5'9" which is the average male height then there would be no image issues at all. The wolfs haunches are above the guys knees in the picture.

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Body length is measured from the tip of the nose - with the head stretched out. In the photo the head is dangling free.



It would be better to have the photo in hi-res; but take a look at the lightsources and shadows in the photo.



The man is casting a light shadow on the grass - the wolf is not. This is normally taken as an indication of a image with does not depict reality truthfully.

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It really depends on the location of the light source and the angle the picture was taken. Also the higher the resolution the easier it would be to see details like shadows in diffused light.



I can prove this was taken with a phone camera which are all pretty much low res. I think your height assumption is incorrect. I think he is leaning back which means he is not standing up straight and as I'm sure you know curving your spine will change your height without changing the length of your spine.
Remember, Noah was the ORIGINAL prepper.



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#33
A quick search turned up body length as being up to 80" which is 203cm. That's 6'8" measured from tip of nose to tip of tail.
"A Nation of Sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

"Bring me a GREEN one, I'll scrub the patchoulli off her!" Ghostwolf.
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#34
I tried to find the photo of one of these in the bed of a pickup here at the CDA press offices. It was shot by a press photographer. It was easily the size of the wolf in the picture.



Secondly, science is great until something happens that is not supposed to happen. I have an 18 foot Anaconda skin that I killed in the Amazon. It was small compared to others that I saw. Have a quick look at



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda



Mine already exceeds the size they list.



Look at other photos... 30 feet is not out of order.



ROn
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#35
Amazing how easily some people fail to grasp reality. When the photographic evidence doesn't jive with preconceived opinions or beliefs, then the photo must be doctored or not a true depiction of reality. Sometimes that happens, but what if the photo is accurate? Like Robinson Crusoe's footprint on the beach, a rational person should only need one photo of a wolf to convince them of the reality that wolves are very large predators.

then think about this: even if the wolf in the pics is unusually large, consider a wolf say 80% that size in a pack of 8-15 or so similar-sized wolves. Want to take your kid out in the woods for a picnic??

Time to pull your head out of the sand and accept reality.
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#36
[quote name='steve_n' date='24 December 2010 - 02:21 PM' timestamp='1293218503' post='502042']

Yup, bringing in Canadian wolves is like bringing in hyenas and cheetahs to the Midwest - they all eat plains game, right? Neither one was here to begin with.



How long has there been an unlimited number of doe harvest in KY? What are officials doing to control the population close to the city limits? Unless the deer are also hunted in the urban areas deer/vehicle collisions will remain bad - the deer will go where there's less hunting pressure, i.e. your back yard.

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Un limited Doe are only in certain counties in KY the ones with the highest deer denisity. The KY deer herd has been managed fairly well. However, times a changing less access, less intrest in hunting, but the deer harvest has fluctuated over the years. We will see The does have been hammered down in West KY for 25+ years and the deer population is well controlled on the public land but the private land were access is about non existant its a different story. Predators we have enough already.
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#37
There is nothing wrong with wolves. The hides make great robes and rugs.





Muleskinner,
He who hesitates is lost.



If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space.



Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.



You can lead a fool to talk, but you can't make him think.



Sometimes I wake up grumpy, and sometimes I let her sleep.



There are damm few problems that can't be fixed, with a long handled shovel and a thirty ought six.
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#38
EdD270,



Agreed.



Here is the link to the one I mentioned here in CDA



http://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/st...002e0.html I wish I could find the rest of the photos.



It is also interesting that none of the brothers in denial bothered to mention the photos in the link I posted showing to Fish and wildlife hunters at their copter. If people rely on Wiki and standard sites for up to date info... They live in the past. Those records were surpassed years ago. and just for shits and giggles... does it really matter to the prey if the animal is 170 lbs or over 200? These are apex predators, smarter than some biologists and far faster, tougher and ready to rumble. The come in packs.



When we filmed the solo survival video we flew far back into the Frank church River of No return WIlderness. Two days into the actual hiking we passed a bear print, It was a grizz and that first track was just filling with water. A person would need to be dumb as stone to not recognize that track with it's 3+ inch claws and huge pace. When we reported it to the forest service they all but called me a liar... "The biologists have assured us that there are no Grizz in that area". A month later one was killed attacking a horse train. Now they admit to a few...



The fact is that Wolves are no where near extinction. There are plenty where these came from, Canada. We don't need them and to be honest, the anger at being made into experiments by California or New York "Environmentalists" is growing. The time for public action is approaching and it wouldn't take much to field 500 hunters to just go kill these fuckers, or better yet, poison them. I don't advocate illegal acts, but I can predict them.



Idaho is our state. We govern it and I'll be damned if we are going to take any more interference from know nothing, latte sipping, light in the loafers, foggy eyed nature lovers. Wolves make great coats, fine targets and a good hunt.



Ron
Hind sight is an exact science until historians or politicians get involved.



Nothing is so simple that it can't be misunderstood.



I have regular bowel movements, I just wish they were voluntary...



My dad started walking five miles a day when he was 60. Now he's 91, and we don't know where he is.



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#39
Ron,



You shouldn't hold your feelings in like that. Just tell us how you really feel. Give me a heads up when the hunt begins, I will bring my mules and pack out the hides.





Muleskinner,
He who hesitates is lost.



If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space.



Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.



You can lead a fool to talk, but you can't make him think.



Sometimes I wake up grumpy, and sometimes I let her sleep.



There are damm few problems that can't be fixed, with a long handled shovel and a thirty ought six.
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#40
Let me put it this way. I have no freaking clue how big they can get. I never thought the picture was doctored but thought MAYBE it just looks big because of the way the picture was taken, but after seeing the last Idaho site that Ron listed. From just the size of the head I think there is 0% possibility of distortion. That is one HUGE monster. I say SSS and I don't want to know about it. If I ever came that way and one of those things got anywhere near my family. Law or no law.
Remember, Noah was the ORIGINAL prepper.



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#41
Thanks Muleskinner... You are right. I really should learn to tell folks what I really think. Will you teach me? <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />



Ron
Hind sight is an exact science until historians or politicians get involved.



Nothing is so simple that it can't be misunderstood.



I have regular bowel movements, I just wish they were voluntary...



My dad started walking five miles a day when he was 60. Now he's 91, and we don't know where he is.



Understand?
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#42
Personally, I don't think this transplanting has much to do with wolves, instead it's just the set up for another big land grab coming up.
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#43
Ron, glad to see that you're feeling well enough to take part. [Image: thumbsup.gif]



I have a question for you: Given that you convinced the proper people.....



(That's like the old Science Joke: "Step #3} A Miracle occurs!")



But anyway--Can the Wolf be removed from Idaho & neighboring States?--I mean, is it even possible to kill all of them?



How hard would it be? How long would it take? How long till some real improvement in the Environment could be seen?



.....RVM45 [Image: cool.gif][Image: thumbsup.gif][Image: cool.gif]
There are only Two Types of People in the World:



A.} People who are After My Guns;



and;



B.} People who are Not After My Guns.



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#44
RVM...



Thanks for your concern. Any incapacitaties at this point are mostly related to shock.



There are a lot of wolves but all we really need to do is kill enough of them that they learn the the mere scent of man is to be feared. That the smell of cattle, sheep, dogs, kids, cats etc etc are warning signs. That during certain parts of the year (hunting season), when there are lots of humans around, become scarce. The "all game" license should include a wolf tag.



In time the breeding pairs will be broken up and the cohesiveness of the packs will break down. That inhibits their ability to successfully take the large, strong game as they do now and pushes them back down the line to taking the old and infirm.



The big male I want to kill is part of a pack that often enough tracks a small whitetail herd not far from me. For some reason they don't seem to have an interest in the deer around here. I suppose they've gotten a taste for livestock. Hopefully next year they will open things up again and I can try to kill that bastard... That will be a hunt and bring back the fun for me.



To answer your question, yes, I think we can bring this under control.



As an aside, When I last lived in California, 15+ years ago, I lived in a little mountain community outside of Los Angeles. One day when I was coming home from teaching I saw a big bear boar dead on the side of the road. It was a huge blackie and some truck had hit it. No sign of the truck. Later in the day I went down to watch the DFG pick up the carcass so I chatted with one of the Wardens (who had been one of my students). He said the bear density in that area was almost one per square mile. I very seldom saw any and I spent a lot of time on my mountain bike riding the back roads and trails of the area. At least 20 miles a day.



They had learned to hide, eat rabbits, yotes and berries, scrounge now and then and be scarce. Contact with mankind and his things meant death. The shy gene gets expressed when the bold ones die.



Ron
Hind sight is an exact science until historians or politicians get involved.



Nothing is so simple that it can't be misunderstood.



I have regular bowel movements, I just wish they were voluntary...



My dad started walking five miles a day when he was 60. Now he's 91, and we don't know where he is.



Understand?
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#45
If you want to thin the wolf packs (Which I would love to do) is to have a trapping season on them. Trapping and snaring is the best and easiest way to control animal populations. I want the wolves removed all of them.



We would love to send all of you wolf loving idiots a couple of thousand wolves so you would also have the opportunity to enjoy them up close and personal. The photos are not faked these animals are huge we did have wolves here but like the grizzly track that Ron saw the gov. didn't want to see it. The local wolves weighed in at 70 to 100 lbs and a really big one was 150 lbs.



This is our state we live here you DON'T so quit making rules and laws that we are forced to live with!!
Don't let reality stand in your way.

Some people are alive only because there are laws against killing them.
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