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Choice Of Glocks
#1
i am am shopping a couple Glocks for an upcoming security gig. i am authorized to carry 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and 10mm.



i shot the hell out of all of them today in some form of Glock model, and accuracy was as expected for a vector. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pirate.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pirate:' />





no pun intended, i'd like the most bang for the buck; i'd like some advice, and i'd like it in the following form please...;



Two Glocks (please screw off if you can't keep the subject on two Glocks TIA).

- the Glocks you advise can be identical, or distinct from one another.



-an example of identical Glocks would be twin calibers and models, such as Qty 2 Glock 21's.

-an example of distinct Glocks would be one Glock 21 and one Glock 36


-we'll stipulate that twin Glocks' advantages are obvious, but if you suggest two distinct Glocks, it would be great if you could mention why you think they'd be a better choice, such as concealability of one or both models, mag compatibility, etc.



please limit your advice to pistols of the same caliber.



i don't want one Glock in 9 mm, and another Glock in .45 ACP, for example, unless you are selling them far below cost.





DISCUSSION ON MY PERSPECTIVES;



i looked at 10mm Glock 20's and considered converting them to .45 ACP Glock 21's, but it is not a quick change from one to the other, and the initial cost-to-benfit analysis seems to favor just getting the Glock 21's for now, or perhaps one Glock 21 and a smaller .45, as has been mentioned - then getting the Glock 20 later on, etc. i am pretty huge, so concealability is not too worrisome for now, but i could probably hide a Gock 21 fairly easiily in my usual rig. i can get a small and concealable Glock at a later time i reckon, and mag compatibility is not too much of a concern; one Glock 30 doesn't sing to me as well as two Glock 36's either for plainclothes duty. i have always done a lot of two pistol shooting, i like the "anti-aircraft" effect of two live weapons, and i shoot these one-handed well enough IMHO.



local intel is that the Glock 22 is an issue weapon for LEOs. somethng about .40 S&W makes me want to involuntarily projectile vomit, but it might be a wise choice to consider.



the 9 mm Glocks, i have no real issue with - i consider them excellent for manstopping [color="#FF0000"]IME[/color], especially since overseas travel might be happening with the pistols, but i prefer the .45 ACP and 10 mm versions of the line of pistols, and i can get more Glocks a little later if it comes to that. as has been mentioned in other threads here, the 10 MM is an excellent choice for killing larger prey. i'm not concerned with ammo scarcity in that round.







please contribute information limited to Tactical Tupperware made in Austria, or i will vectorize a vectorized voodoo doll of you and dry hump it into dust. and then shoot it with a Glock. i've already got one voodoo doll of a certain turd boy in fact, in case you need a sample of its efficacy.... <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />



thank you for your cooperation.



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#2
A glock 20 and 29 are my votes. Look at EKG20FNFAL. barrels in 40 and 9 and 22 etc. Make sure they all work great. 10mm for the thunder, 9 for economy shooting with some recoil, and 22 for the ultimate fall back scrounger/plinker/small game getter.



As you said, I would want something to shoot 9 if going oversees. One of the many reasons Gabe Saurez prefers 9mm.



EDIT: are you carrying in CA?
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#3
Over the years, I've found the Glock 19 a handy size 17 shot 9mm. Of course you can use G-17/18 magazines also. I've also found that 9mm is the almost universally available ammo.
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#4
Bro (voodoo doc!) Vec. Obviously you don't need any reasoning as to 'why Glocks', or feedback on how they handle, so to cut to the quick......I have both a 19 and a 20. The 9-mm to cover most 'everyday' needs (and the ammo is really inexpensive) and the 10-mm to stop anything that really needs stopping. NOTE: Despite checking regularly for about a year, I could not get any 10-mm locally (even at our one-&-only gun shop), and thus have bought my Nosler JHP and FMJ at Double Tap Ammunition.



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#5
Re edit: I'm not even sure if those conversions are possible and I don't have time to watch making glocks rock right now <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />
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#6
Do you reload Vec?



If so, great one answer: don't dick around, get the G-20, and a 40 conversion barrel ( yeah, yeah, just get the damn thing)! Go on with life. Put up the ammo/components you need now, esp since you are in CA.



if you do not reload, START.



OK, don't want to screw with ammo supply? the G-21. No worries.



get the 29/30 if you want a compact to pair up with either..but if you are like me...you'll be pretty happy with the full size.





G-20, G-21 second choice..next question.
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#7
Oh, and what hawk are you taking on the gig?? <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
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#8
The only Glock I own is a Glock 36. I wanted to see about getting the Glock 30SF (short frame), but could not get my hands on one, and I know it's somewhat larger than the 36.



The problem is, I have smallish hands. I literally cannot properly reach both the trigger and the magazine release with one hand on the large frame Glocks (20, 21, 29, & 30).



To console myself, I got the 36 in OD green to add cool points for the sake of my self esteem. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banana.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':banana:' />





To recommend two, I would say get a 19 and 26 if you choose a 9mm. They are nice for capacity. However, I hear you can now get a 30 round mag for the 21/30 combo. If you could get it to work with 10mm you would have a really nice 100 yard capable set of easily concealed blasters.



I don't know the functional difference between the 10mm and .45 ACP magazines to tell you if it's possible or not. If anyone can fix it though, it's you brother Vec.









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#9
Kriss mags baby. Pricey, but what the heck. Nice thing about the 9 is the glock 18 mags.
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#10
[quote name='praharin' date='16 September 2010 - 08:08 PM' timestamp='1284692898' post='486425']When are you leaving?

[/quote]





not sure if i am leaving or not. or what duration. there are several possibilities right now.



i qual'd today, and now the firearms testor wants to meet with me tomorrow after seeing me shoot ('had an exceptional day at the range - i gotta shoot drunk more often - i kid, i'm kidding) - wish me luck, everything is up in the air right now, job-wise, but it's looking pretty firm that something will work out.



.........



i have large hands and long fingers.



i reckon i will get two Glock 21's or two Glock 30's, or maybe one each for now, and maybe vectorize one or both of them. - i'll get some other Glock models later, and make someone else pay for it.... <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pirate.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pirate:' /> i'd sure love to have a pair of Glock 20's and a pair of Glock 19's. i usually buy two of everything.



a Fast Axe 2 and an ECO Hawk Kit, next to 5 or 6 extra magz, oughtta round the guns out for some tight assault gear.



it'd be nice to go play somewhere interesting for just a little while, to get the smell of the steenkeeng hu-manz off of me for a bit. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />



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#11
Is your employer limiting you to Glocks only? Or is that your own restriction?



At any rate:Why?



And I do believe that is limiting the conversation to Glocks...



If not, I appologize.



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I think I'd turn down a job that limited my handgun choices to Glocks...
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#12
haha



Well that's vague. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' /> Why not? It doesn't take a "good looking" firearm to protect yourself when you go into harms' way. What is the single most important thing in a firearm, especially one used when situations go bad? What would you suggest instead? Man, tell all those "blackwater people/private contractors" that there glocks were a bad choice... haha
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#13
If you're comfy with carrying two full sized ones, then go for it, in whatever caliber you prefer. If you're going outside the US though think of what caliber will be most easily obtained there. I'd recommend getting both in the same caliber though, since a full size mag will always work in the smaller.



My personnel recommendation would be to get two Glock 18's, if only they weren't prohibited from coming into the country...
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#14
In one of them "Boston" gun books he says get the #23 in .40 Current knowledge says he was more right on than he thought.





Its an easy conversion to .357 Sig or 9mm, even to .22
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#15
http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/g/Arti...ction.html



regardless of which one you go with, replace the plastic sights with metal ones. I highly recommend Tru-Glo TFOs (tritium fiber optics)



My favorite is the Glock 23 (see the latest issue of SQ as to why)
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