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Most Underutilized Plant?
#1
http://www.victoryseeds.com/amaranth_red-garnet.html





Red Garnet Amaranth Seeds - Heirloom, Open-Pollinated, non-Hybrid Victory Seeds®



I've played around with this plant and I'm kind of impressed.



1. It's pretty because the whole plant is red you can use it even in the front yard. Most people wouldn't even know currently that the whole plant is high in protein, calcium, and is edible. I've discovered it needs sun. Anywhere there is a thistle that's a good indication that instead of having a "weedbed" full of thistles it would be better for humanity to sheet mulch it and put in red amaranth. or why have bushes in a sunny front yard against a house when you could have red amaranth?



2. Nutrition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaranth It has fat...... not the easiest thing to get in plant form. Garbonzo beans and quinoa have it too but amaranth seems to thrive here, much easier to grow in my experience



I've been eating the grain as "popcorn" and regular cooking it. Amaranth $65 shipped for 25 pounds. Good protein for $2.6 per pound. Themos cookable in 3 hours but more cleanup compared to quinoa. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KWD2D4/ref=...s=amaranth I am not sure if the amaranth from amazon is heirloom seed or if would be plantable. Very compact seeds and considering each seed will turn into a plant (that grows about 4 plus feet tall) that's a lot of potential in a very small package.





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started with 64 gatorade olla. No energy/water human input after that. Picture also illustrates that it thrives in Sun, less sun doesn't grow as well.



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Dried plant makes a high protein source for livestock in the winter months when they can't be in their bio lawnmowers /tractors. The plant is easy to pull up out of the grown.



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Self seeded native amaranth and red garnet amaranth. Thriving with gatorade ollas and very little energy input. Sunny spot, needs sun is my experience.



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carrots growing with amaranth. possible companion plant?



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Red Amaranth thriving on huglekultur. No energy input.



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Seed heads from the flowers are easy to save for next year's crop. I also scattered the seeds in the fall before the snow came. I will have to see if those come up in true food forest fashion. If that's the case plots of it if they don't get hit by deer/animals too hard would come up year after year. I'm not sure if it will crossbreed with the native green amaranth.
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#2
Hey Scottman, so glad you posted this...I've been wondering about Amaranth/pigweed...it's named in some of my survival books. Larry Dean's book calls it " Americas forgotten cereal grain" he says it's a wonderful cereal raw or cooked and it can be added to soups, stews and breads...also the young leaves can be eaten like spinach. Very nutritious and lots of yield for a small amount of plant. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' /> cool.





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#3
Hey gang, FYI....



There are numerous persistent myths about protein in plants. They have all been debunked decades ago, but people don't do their research to find the facts, they just repeat what they hear/read.



Even in places like med school, they persist.



Somebody did some research and found that:



1. ALL vegetables have complete protein.

2. There is no need to "complement" or mix foods to achieve a complete protein. (Diet For A Small Planet.)

3. The idea that there are "Protein Sources" is specious, as protein is in all of them.

4. The human body requires from between 2.5 and 11% of its calories from protein.

5. Averaged out, vegetables provide approx. 22% of calories from protein. Twice what the body could need.

6. More is not better.

7. Just eat sufficient calories, with a variety of veggies, and you will have plenty of protein. More than you need.

8. Without sufficient protein, you cannot rebuild muscle.

9. There are world class athletes that are vegan, they don't even eat dairy.

10. I don't care if you eat meat, that is not what this is about. It's about the myths that say that you cannot get sufficient protein from plant sources.





Check it out: [url="http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/protein.html"]http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/protein.html[/url]

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#4
Scott,



Great post, thanks for the info! Maybe I'll get some going on my property, if it will continue to flourish once established. However, I'm not sure I want to buy 65 lbs of seed, however! <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



Thanks, again...

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#5
Scottman,



You stated in your post "started with 64 gatorade olla." Excuse my ignorance, can you explain what that is ?





Thanks

Roger
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#6
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Scottman,



You stated in your post "started with 64 gatorade olla." Excuse my ignorance, can you explain what that is ?





Thanks

Roger

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<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> hahah what you trying to say? Kidding, kidding I am ignorant too... I have no idea what a 64 Gatorade olla was either...I was guessing maybe that pop bottle the seeds were in?? But I don't know why I didn't just ask that too.





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"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."--Thomas Jefferson

"Buy land- they are not making it anymore"- Mark Twain

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile €”hoping it will eat him last." -Winston Churchill

"Wilderness is in our hearts first and always. All of us can't have a cabin in the mountains. It's the wilderness within we must strive for first."- R. Sullivan
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#7
http://drippingspringsollas.com/about-ollas/



I believe Scott is using a half-gallon plastic jug, pierced with a hole or two. It gives you simple drip or wick irrigation without a lot of costly infrastructure.
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#8
Well, that was enlightening !!!



Thanks Mck !!!





Roger
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#9
Ollas, gonna remember that one!
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#10
Bill, the amranth seed I eat is a 25 pound bag from amazon. I'll have to do a specific marked plot to see if it grows. Not sure I'll do that Just because I have a LOT of RED amaranth seeds from last year. I do enjoy eating qunioa in my diet too but can't grow the stuff in the areas I have (yet...)



Red amaranth is available at victory seeds in different increments. Every seed I threw in germinated, I had to thin them, which I ate the seedlings raw, but I wasn't expecting everys eed..... A little should go a long ways. IT seems pretty hearty I think you could do well with ollas/huglekultur/ or self watering containers possibly.





Olla/ hugelkultur bucket experiment. 1 pinhole olla recycled 64 ounce gatorade bottle.

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I've given away the seed to about 10 people eager to see what they think of it <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />
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I've given away the seed to about 10 people eager to see what they think of it <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />/>

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I'd be very interested to hear people's opinions of the flavour, texture ect....in the future.. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />





AOC
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."--Thomas Jefferson

"Buy land- they are not making it anymore"- Mark Twain

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile €”hoping it will eat him last." -Winston Churchill

"Wilderness is in our hearts first and always. All of us can't have a cabin in the mountains. It's the wilderness within we must strive for first."- R. Sullivan
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#13
AOC I gave them my amazon seed but also http://www.victoryseeds.com/amaranth_red-garnet.html They liked the seeds cook, and some liked it popped.



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#14
native amaranth has no troubles coming back year to year.



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only evidence of red amaranth from last falls seed spreading. Looks almost like a hybrid between the native and red amaranth. They were grown right next to each other.



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#15
I have more amaranth sprouts in the yard than I know what to do with right now. The best ones are in a self watering bucket and will need to be thinned before I head north on vacation.



I like the way the sprouts taste, very similar to spinach imo.
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