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Does Anyone Really Believe The News Anymore?
#16
I considered the new term "fake news" to mean a totally made-up, untrue stories. I don't look at political bias in reporting actual events as "fake news." For example, we all know the more liberal media has a history of giving it all they have to push for more gun control. But that's a political slant. They didn't make up the story about the crazy guy shooting people in the movie theater in Colorado, which I would consider fake news. So I trust the mainstream press to a point: I expect a political slant, but also expect most of the stories to be true.



I figured this thread got started because of President Trump's statement that the press is the enemy of the people. I was wondering what recent examples of totally made-up, untrue stories would prompt him to say that.



Trump claimed he got the most electoral college votes since Reagan, which is false, so of course the more liberal media outlets hammered him on it. Channels like CNN and MSNBC's bread and butter is exploiting the massive political divide in our country by trying to supply the left with daily criticism of Trump. But I would say in doing this they are mostly factual and are performing a service to our country, rather than being our enemies. Do we prefer a press that kisses government's butt or a press that is overly critical?



---George
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#17
I am not going to add any comments regarding the fake news, since I believe it has been appropriately address.



The news at one time was reported morally, ethically & honestly gave both, or all sides if more than two sides existed, to the debate and allowed the readers to decide which side they aligned with, if any. Today the news is basically indoctrinating and proselytizing young and/or weak minds for a voyage on the good ship "Lollipop," so that the reader accepts without question what ever side or view the writer and/or editor thinks is best for them. The schools, have unfortunately joined in and, are doing their part in much of this country by dumbing-down their students and ridiculing those who dare think for themselves.



It I want to read, or listen to, fiction, I will get a book (or audio book)! But one can really no longer believe the media, because of their irresponsible reporting methods regardless of the medium doing the reporting as Leanwolf most adequately pointed out the various sources are all collective included in the terms media/medium.
Jimbo
If everything is a case for gun control, then nothing is. - Charles C. W. Cooke

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. - Theodore Roosevelt 1907 
Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.  - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
I fear the day that technology surpass our human interaction.  The world will have a generation of idiots. - Albert Einstein

The optomist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears that this is true! - James B. Cabell
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#18
[quote name='george of the J' timestamp='1487706476' post='612713']

Trump claimed he got the most electoral college votes since Reagan, which is false, so of course the more liberal media outlets hammered him on it. Channels like CNN and MSNBC's bread and butter is exploiting the massive political divide in our country by trying to supply the left with daily criticism of Trump. But I would say in doing this they are mostly factual and are performing a service to our country, rather than being our enemies. Do we prefer a press that kisses government's butt or a press that is overly critical?

---George

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George, My original post had nothing to do with President Trump. I think Trump has kicked a few sleeping dogs he should have left sleeping personally. He is the President, be it by one vote or 100 who cares, except apparently himself. But if one listens to and believes pro-Trump talk radio, some things being reported by the mass media about Trump, are not true either, which brings me back to the original post what is the truth.



Things President Trump tweets, are statements the news media can use against him, I understand, but so much of the controversy is around, "He said, she said!" I have no doubt President Trump has stretched the truth some, maybe even told some lies, but it is pretty common knowledge HRC went beyond lying and spouted out pure fiction, which the news media reported as gospel. She was never called on her lies, but the news reporting is working at being divisive and splintering not only Democrats & Republicans, but Liberals & Conservatives, Blacks & Whites, Latinos & Whites, Asians & Whites Males & Females to name a few, but anywhere & ever where they can drive a wedge, the news media is pounding on that wedge as hard as it can.



The news media recently reporting on the distraught family who's son raped and murdered the New York City jogger, but there was never a word about the woman he raped & murdered. Her friend pointed out that the rapist & murder choose to do what he did and deserved no sympathy, whereas her friend the victim and her family deserved sympathy, but it did not alter the news medias reporting on the events. This is just one instance, but hundreds, if not thousands, can be located.



And yes the news media does use a few basic facts in their reporting, but that along does not make their reporting and/or stories truthful and honest.
Jimbo
If everything is a case for gun control, then nothing is. - Charles C. W. Cooke

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. - Theodore Roosevelt 1907 
Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.  - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
I fear the day that technology surpass our human interaction.  The world will have a generation of idiots. - Albert Einstein

The optomist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears that this is true! - James B. Cabell
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#19
No, the use of technically incorrect terminology to confuse the gullible readers/viewers is not just biased, it is fake.







I have never owned an assault rifle. If someone says I did, it is a fake story.







I have also never owned a gravity knife. I've handled one once and did not like it. If someone says my folders that can be opened by kinetic force are gravity knives, they are lying.







The media is made up of liars. This "fake news" scare is not so much due to Trump as it is to those scumbags knowing they are becoming irrelevant and are being replaced by smaller private news sources.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#20
Jimbo, since your OP roughly coincided with President Trump lashing out against the press, I assumed that was what prompted you. I assumed wrong and I'm sorry.



Anyway, I guess I've got a little more trust in the main stream media than most of you guys and see a little more value in having them around, despite their shortcomings.



---George
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#21
[quote name='Jimbo' timestamp='1487435193' post='612644']

Does anyone really believe the new reporters anymore, at least on the national level? There may still be some local & regional reporters with ethics and morals, but the majority of the national level reports seem to write more fiction than truthfully report the news. I have never been big into news myself, but today I have little faith in virtually any of the reported news being truthful and question the majority of the news as even being factual. How does everyone else feel about the news outlets and media?

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You are right Jimbo. The newspapers said it would rain yesterday here in Cambodia, yet it was still 30 degrees all day.

I would not believe a newspaper if they told me water was wet. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
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"As God once said - and I think rightly . . ."
Field Marshal Viscount Montgomery

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Dwight D. Eisenhower


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#22
[quote name='george of the J' timestamp='1487754668' post='612723']

Jimbo, since your OP roughly coincided with President Trump lashing out against the press, I assumed that was what prompted you. I assumed wrong and I'm sorry.



Anyway, I guess I've got a little more trust in the main stream media than most of you guys and see a little more value in having them around, despite their shortcomings.



---George

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George, I am sure there are some small newspapers around the country that still have integrity and honesty in their reporting, but when they pick up national new stories by someone not on their editorial staff, it becomes iffy. Virtually all the small radio stations pick-up the national news and just parrot whatever comes over their wire service. The internet is just a reflection of the big new organizations. And yes there has to be some real & true facts as a basis for their stories, but even the stories I would like to believe, I still question and pretty much take them with a grain of salt as all the others.



To put it another way, I can watch the President give a speech, and this has been going on since President Kennedy, that I can remember, then the media tells me things I did not hear said. The media simply guts the speech and tells the viewers what they want the audience to believe the speaker said or did not say.



The news media has just reached the point with me, like the little boy who hollered wolf. I simply no longer believe the media.



Maybe watching the James Bond movie: Tomorrow Never Dies with an eye to how the media giant manipulates the news to his advantage. Only a movie admittedly, but it portrays on the screen what is being played out right before our eyes on the worlds stage. At least that is pretty much how I see things.
Jimbo
If everything is a case for gun control, then nothing is. - Charles C. W. Cooke

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. - Theodore Roosevelt 1907 
Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.  - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
I fear the day that technology surpass our human interaction.  The world will have a generation of idiots. - Albert Einstein

The optomist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears that this is true! - James B. Cabell
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#23
I used to be a news junkie. I have not had cable for a few years but I would listen to the CBC whenever I had a chance. I believe that most news is used to manipulate people by using fear to control them. Even if most of what they say is the truth it is still a lie, because of the way it is twisted and biased. Everything we are exposed too makes an impression on the subconscious. I want to live my life by serving and loving, not by seeing differences that cause fear of an entire people or thing.



The news focuses only on the negative because that's what our primitive mind is drawn to. It is much easier to live in fear by following others than to be liberated and find your own path in life through enlightenment. At one time we needed to focus on the negative in order to stay alive, now, in most cases that is counter productive because it keeps us afraid, and under the influence of people who are looking to gain by using and controlling others through fear and lies. IMO the news is the epitome of that.



It is much more important to see the thing that scares most people as a reason to wake up to live and love. Many people who are seen as "religious leaders" use peoples fear of death to control them. They say that god, or whatever higher power you believe or know will punish you if you don't do x, y, or z. When in fact death is the most beautiful state there can be, because it needs to be realized, so we can make the most of the time that we have on the planet. Death is the reason we need to love and serve as many people as we can. If our time was unlimited what drive would there be to do anything. We could waste time and it would not matter one bit.



The news is like a religious leader that uses fear to control people. It plays on fears, and uses those fears to make you think that you are better than those people over there. That in order to be safe we need to kill and be armed to the teeth. That there is not enough so we have to take from others. That a dream is not realised until the latest material possessions are in your hands. You are not important until you can show outward symbols of your successes. It posits that all the things that matter are determined by outside factors. When the opposite is true. The news is a manifestation of what is wrong in the thinking of people. It is driven by fear that creates greed and a sense of lack. When there is more than enough to meet peoples needs, but then it takes greed and clothes it as need. Then people continue to live their lives asleep thinking that they are awake.
"If you save one life you are a hero. If you save 100 lives you are a nurse." Unknown










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#24
[quote name='Brother to the Sick' timestamp='1487782463' post='612729']



The news is like a religious leader that uses fear to control people.



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Very often <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />



The politics of greed & envy - society needs a balance between competition & cooperation.



The adversarial elements are on top in many places right now IMO. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' /> <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' />
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#25
My horoscope told me yesterday, I was to have a monetary windfall!

Did I?

Naw!!! <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Sad' />
"You can't hit the ball unless you take a swing."
Martin Crane

"As God once said - and I think rightly . . ."
Field Marshal Viscount Montgomery

“Steady Monty. you cant speak to me like that. I'm you boss."
Dwight D. Eisenhower


"Remember gentlemen it is not just France we are fighting for, it's champagne."
Churchill 




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#26
Here's a weather report that might not be accurate: <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



http://www.theonion.com/video/deadly-sup...oast-36464
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#27
[quote name='Benjamin Liu' timestamp='1487843976' post='612737']

Here's a weather report that might not be accurate: <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/>



http://www.theonion.com/video/deadly-sup...oast-36464

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<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' />



<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' /> We had a newspaper that reported that a B52 bomber had been found on the moon.



Anyway, the instrument that is destroying lies and frauds, is the cell phone video facility.

Recently in England a 50 year old dread locked black man was stopped while walking his dog.

This black man attended regular conferences with the authorities regarding good relations between blacks and the police.

Maybe, because of this he became a bit arrogant, and mouthy as is the vernacular in jolly old England.

A woman police office tasered him in the face!

They then took him off, with his dog I suppose, to the police station and charged him with assaulting the police.

The dog was not charged.

However, someone nearby, unseen, videoed the whole incident on their mobile phone.

Another incident where liars and cheat have been caught by the wonderful cell phone.

And they can disprove newspaper reports just as easy . . .
"You can't hit the ball unless you take a swing."
Martin Crane

"As God once said - and I think rightly . . ."
Field Marshal Viscount Montgomery

“Steady Monty. you cant speak to me like that. I'm you boss."
Dwight D. Eisenhower


"Remember gentlemen it is not just France we are fighting for, it's champagne."
Churchill 




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#28
Let us remember the cyclic nature of history. What once was old is new again. Case in point...media outlets.



At one time in this country, newspapers were partisan in one way or another. They wore their allegiance on their sleeve so to speak and every reader knew the point of view going in. As just one example, a local (to me) town newspaper was founded in the 1850's with an anti-slavery stance. The name of the paper... "The <town> Republican". It bears the name to this day. At the time of its founding one could reliably define the editorial point of view by the masthead. Other examples abound.



Then, in the early 20th century, it became fashionable for media outlets to be "objective". This was a reaction to the so-called "yellow journalism" of the late 1800's. Cover both sides of the story, every point of view, to show that they were just reporting the "facts". That attitude continues today as a veneer over all of the news. "Oh, the press is objective, it is neutral." I have to call BS on that.



"News" is what is reported, not what actually happens. The commentators filter the story through their own bias and present it as "factual". That they are presenting their own views as "fact" and other views as "fake" is the height of irony.



Most media commentators appear (to me) to support "progressive" ideas and causes. A story about the recent sharp increase of shootings in Chicago will almost invariably focus on the need for more gun laws, not on the increase of criminal gang activity or the Democrat mayors going back to 1931. This is just one case of not reporting the whole story but rather filtering it through the commentators bias.



I have argued for years that the average US citizen would be better served by media outlets that actually announce their bias. Pick a couple of different viewpoints and make your own decision. I have also believed that those who trumpet their "objectivity" the loudest are simply trying to prevent you from understanding that you are being deceived.
"The trouble with normal is it always gets worse." Bruce Cockburn
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#29
Friends,



I liked the "X-Files" Axiom:



"The Truth is 'Out There'."



For instance if we disagree about the Height of Mt Everest and find conflicting numbers in books—the truth can be found by going to Nepal and Measuring the height in person—it's "Out There."



BUT…



Pragmatically—do you have the money to pick up and fly to Nepal? When you get there do you know how to go about surveying the mountain? Is it even allowed?



So it isn't that easy. There exists many cases where even in principle the truth is unknown and for practical purposes unknowable.



Let's take Global Warming as an example. I'm a skeptic because I distrust those that are pushing that theory…



BUT…



In actuallity both sides claim that the vast majority of competent non-crackpot scientists support their position and that only a few bribed or cracked-pots support the opposing side and they are given press coverage out of all proportion to their actual representation.



If I cared enough I could spend 100 or more hours pouring through many boring and complex papers to see whose position is the orthodox one—but [color="#ff0000"]Hell's Belles[/color] and Cockleshells and skeletons all in a row…



I'm not THAT determined. Either way my on contribution would be negligible. Never mind.



I've neve been to Canada—for instance—but I'm willing to take Ol Griz's word. Never been to the Philippines but I think that Benjamin Liu is an honest and insightful observer—and so on and so forth.



But if someone wants to come in and accuse each and everyone of us of being liars…



There's no easy way to establish "The Truth."



That is the way with most Mass Media News—except when they slip and give the lie away.



About guns, assault rifles, martial art weapons, pit bulls and whatever…



People have the right to own any of these things that they please. I don't think so, but even if you could thoroughly convince me that the world would be a kinder, gentler, safer and better place without them…



I will still continue to believe that people have an inalienable right to own then notwithstanding—so I often tire of the tedious pragmatic number-crunching on each side of the issue. It isn't relevant.



But like a few years ago 19 out of 20 people couldn't find El Salvador on a map. How in the 7 burning [color="#ff0000"]Hells[/color] can you have an [sub](intelligent)[/sub] opinion whether Reagan should send troops to El Salvador or not—when you don't even know where it is???



[size="3"]How[/size] can you have an[sub] (intelligent)[/sub] opinion about how much of a safety hazard guns are if you don't even know which end to point at the target?



The bulk of Mass Media Reporters are Parasites trying to drain as many hosts as possible.



It is possible to go too far the other way. 20 some years ago Rush Limbaugh's name came up.



"I agree with much of what the man says," I said.



I was immediately given a cussing out.



"Rush is a very intelligent and well-read man while you're nothing but a lowlife! How dare you disagree with ANYTHING he says?!?''



So since we can't have a rational discourse and beating him up would be a very transient pleasure with dire after effects—I just won't continue to talk to him…



Well that's rambling—but it's a big and far-reaching topic.





…..RVM45





















There are only Two Types of People in the World:



A.} People who are After My Guns;



and;



B.} People who are Not After My Guns.



Though I am forced to live in exile, in the Twenty-First century; I am still proud to be a Citizen of the Twentieth Century.



RVM45
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#30
Thank you for bringing this up.



I find it interesting that you bring up truth at this time, as I have just finished a paper for my philosophy class for my masters of nursing. It looks at how knowledge is acquired through different paradigms. Some see the truth as fixed and discoverable, while other paradigms see the truth as being created in the moment depending on the context of ones reality. Personally, I like Thomas Troward's definition of the truth gleaned from Revelations 21:16 cryptic description of the truth. That the truth will look the same no matter how you approach it. It sounds simple but the truth may have many facets, and all though it may be one thing, semantics will have people disagreeing, when if they stepped back and thought about it they would find that they agree, they just see things differently.



I wish there were more people I could converse with regarding philosophy. Most people I talk to these days seem to drain my energy. I had one patient I treated for anaphylaxis, her husband came in and was talking, and I swear the more he talked the more tired I felt, I even caught myself doing the headbob at one time. After he left I felt the energy come back into my body. When that happens I know to stay away from those people, if I can.



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Friends,







"The Truth is 'Out There'."







…..RVM45























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