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The Old 45-70
#1
I usually don't start too many topics. not that I think I know it all, because believe you me I do not and am the first to admit it. My wife sez I'm dumber than a barrel of hammers, but I believe she is fond of me anyway. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' />

I noticed I was coming up to post number 4570 and since I didn't have anything intelligent to say, I thought it might be nice to post something about the old Govmint 4570 and see what people have, what they would like, what they have shot with it from rocks to ellyphonts and what your favourite loading is.

Folks can also pipe up with why they wouldn't be caught dead with a 4570 it's open to congratulations and catcalls.

Have at it. Perhaps you prefer the 450 Marlin or the .444 like my friend Joe who has owned as many 45-70's as I have and.... like me for some reason , keeps trading them off. Help me... and Joe to understand our love/hate relationship with this old comanche-wolloper.

Personally I have owned several.

I have had several Marlin 1895's over the years, right up to the SS guide gun, perhaps if I found one with a straight stock and without the crossbolt safety I might keep it.

I have owned a couple of Browning 78's in 45-70 and found the trigger setup too fiddley and almost fragile

I owned a Browning lever-action 1895? in 45-70 and sold it to a friend who left his job and moved up north. He died a few months later from cancer, I don't know what became of the rifle. I would think about having one of them again <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />

I have not owned a Remington rolling block, I always thought they were too heavy. I have also not owned a Ruger #1 medium rifle, but I think they are the handsomest rifle in 45-70 and don't know why I have not owned one. My friend Buck-Duane has a Ruger #3 in 45-70 with #1 wood and it looks pretty nifty. He also has a 45-70 N0.1 medium and I hope to inherit it one day...but he is younger than me so it might be one of those pipe-dreams.

I had a chance to buy a Winchester takedown 1895 carbine in 45-70 with a shotgun butt from the estate of a Winchester collector, but $895.00 was a lot of money back then, I was newly married and had a l'il-griz about the house, but it's the one I kick my ass periodically for not biting the bullet..... and eating KD for a month of sundays... I hate KD, so it would be quite the sacrifice.

I have killed lots of rocks paper and scissors with 45-70...well maybe not scissors, but I have never shot game with one ... go figger <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' /> I planned to take my Guide gun North with me last year, but took a Sako .338 instead. My friend Buck-Duane killed a couple of good sized boar pigs that his dad wanted done in for dogfood, they dropped like a sack of lead. Both were head shots at 80 yds. and the skull was shattered with no pieces were bigger than his thumb nail. Another friend smoked a bear at 10 yards with a Speer 350 Gr. flatnose with 53 grains of 3031 and flipped it over onto its back



So there you have it my whole life with the 45-70 and I hope some folks can help me figger myself out in this matter, I fear I may be a lost cause. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' /> Have at it.



Griz
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#2
Yup, I've had a few.

Springfield "Trapdoor" both carbines and rifle

Remington Rolling Block both original and repos

Sharps, both original and repo

Ballard

Winchester 86

Browning 85

Marlin, several including a GG

Ruger No 1 (my favorite)

Ruger No 3

H&R top break

A Siamese Mauser converted to 45/70

A Thompson Center Contender (both pistol& carbine)

A Remingto Keene (that's a neat bolt action)



That's all I can remember for now.
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#3
Good Topic! I have no exposure to this caliber. I just saw the use in the "Out of The Wild" Discovery Channel show. But my mother in law just dropped off a Springfield 1873 Trapdoor carbine for me to hold until the rightful heir comes to pick it up. It was her father's and it was a display piece.



I am curious to hear stories of this caliber rifle.
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#4
There is a certain mystic about this caliber. The closest I've ever came to shooting one was poping a few rounds off of my dad's old .444 Marlin. Years ago when I was just big enough to start reading gun magazines and understand them (around age 7), Navy Arms imported a bunch of .45/70s built on Greener Martini actions. For thirty five years now everytime a see a sporter built on a Martini action I get all slack jaw and can't speak.
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#5
BooneD

Those Martinis show up around here in 577/.450 and I understand an insert can be made to have it fire .45-70.

I have seen some beautifully converted sporting rifles in the martini action. The neatest one was a Martini cadet action in .44-40 which apparently the Brits loved for shooting Red Stag in Scotland.

For some unknown reason I have never owned a martini either.



Griz
Hopefully the S won't HTF and I pray every day that it won't. It would not be fun.



I have a high art..I wound with cruelty, all who wound me...Archillocus; 650 B.C.
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#6
I have had two of these babies. One was the H&R cavalry officers model carbine. It carried nice and packed a nice little wallop. It was a great gun for the razorback/black boar hybrids we had in our part of Missoura. My only problem was the lack of a quick follow up that this rifle had. Sometimes these pigs are too damn dumb to know they are dead and keep on coming, as if they were the ones hunting you and not vice-versa. Like a fool, I traded it off.

The other 45/70 was a Pedersoli rolling block buffalo gun reproduction. It was accurate for the blackpowder catridge shoots but was one heck of a hawg to tote around. I don't have a lot of need for this size cannon any more unless they put open season on VW beetles or F-150's.
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#7
I love the 45-70, had one of the New England single shot break open rifles. That gun killed on one end and maimed on the other. Sold it when I was short of funds, had the lee loader and about 200 pieces of brass with it. I still kick myself for selling it.



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#8
I've had a couple Marlin 1895's, still have one but don't shoot it much. My GF gave me a Browning 78 for christmas, but I haven't shot it yet. My favorite is a NEF Handi Rifle. it shoot's well with every bullet weight and style I have tried and is super simple.

45-70 is amazingly versatile to reload. I've loaded it down to .45acp levels and up pretty hot. For anything I'm likely to do the near .458 loads are a waste of recoil and power.
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#9
Does anyone have experience with the Ruger Medium Sporter in 45-70 in a hunting scenario?

I believe that is what I will get as my next 45-70.

I think they are pretty... based on the British Farquarson which was likely the epitome of the British sporting rifle.



Griz
Hopefully the S won't HTF and I pray every day that it won't. It would not be fun.



I have a high art..I wound with cruelty, all who wound me...Archillocus; 650 B.C.
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#10
[quote name='Grizzly Dave' post='376069' date='Jun 12 2009, 12:55 AM']Does anyone have experience with the Ruger Medium Sporter in 45-70 in a hunting scenario?

I believe that is what I will get as my next 45-70.

I think they are pretty... based on the British Farquarson which was likely the epitome of the British sporting rifle.



Griz[/quote]



I think that was the one I had, interestingly enough, the No 1 and the No 3 Rugers are the same size gun. The stock and trigger guard/lever are different biut otherwise the same gun. I hunted mostly hogs with mine, but did take a couple of deer withit. Comes up to the shoulder easy, I had a Redfield 1.5 X 4 wideview mounted on it, shooting with both eyes open it was like using a big peep sight. I liked it, but had to let it go so I could buy a new "toy".
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#11
Thanks 90N ;



I think I will sell something and get one.



Griz
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I have a high art..I wound with cruelty, all who wound me...Archillocus; 650 B.C.
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#12
Well Griz, as you have owned several and never kept them for long, I have been the opposite I have shot several and must admit I love the cartridge for long range, performance. and pure fun... But have yet to have one that is truly mine (never leave one in my gun safe unless you expect it to be shot a lot heheheh)



I have always wanted a Co pilot from Jim West in Alaska ever since I first saw one in his shop in 1995 (where does the time go?)...



I have suffered for an over-affection /controlled addiction for the 45-70 in a stainless guide gun to the point that I can't keep my hands off one every-time I see one.



Dennis Samut owner of Horus Vision told me he carried a co- pilot with a Talon scope on top in 457 WEST as his California assault rifle... He further told me of the pure enjoyment of hitting clay birds with the combo in 45-70..



I have done it with an AR and the Talon but not the 45-70 yet <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />



So if I ever get a Co-Pilot I will experience it hehehe.



You might ask why I haven't ever bought one well it doesn't fit in my logistics even trying to justify it by a 45 acp step down and shooting 410 shotshells after bored out to 457 west....... I have gone thru it so many times in my head....

<img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cursing.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cursing:' /> Maybe it is also my need of discipline and self control or some sick sadistic self imposed punishment. But as luck turns out I always go back to my PARA FNFALS



I have and always wanted one,to many John Wayne movies, or maybe it is that shinny thing to occupy dreams on dusty days.....



Still love the cartridge in a Sharps or a guide gun <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wub:' />



Just never leave one at my house BRO unless you want the barrel broken in.....



I have dies....



Lots of Lead....



and lots of rocks and elk....



Ok you can bring one over if you really must.... <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' /> Take Care EK
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#13
Seen a few .45-70 bolt guns build up on Siamese Mausers and P-13 Enfields. Some were hack jobs but most were really well made sporters. Gibbs had their Lee-Enfield Jungle carbine chambered in .45-70 for awhile.



Grizz, the Farquarson was and is a beauty of a rifle but so were Alexander Henrys. In a big clunky kinda way. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
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Ayn Rand





"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

Robert A. Heinlein
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#14
My son sold me his Navy Arms SMLE converted to .45-70 so he could buy a .450 Marlin. I've assembled dies, brass and bullets, but shamefully have never shot it - yet. I plan to hang on to that piece of machinery, and not let it get away as a few others apparently have.



If I read correctly, the Ruger #1 + #3 are based upon a British Farquhar (sic) action. I didn't know that, and I need to cure my ignorance tonight.



Finally, I live about 30 miles south of an obscure 1877 battlefield site, and a good friend really made my day when he presented me with a copper (not brass) .45-70 cartridge case from his in-law's farm.
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#15
I don't have any experience with the 45-70 but the Ruger # 1 I truly love. It is a beautiful firearm. Action is simple, strong and smooth. Trigger is nice. Comes up nice and points really easy, easy to track. Mine was in 270 and I fell victim to cash offered for quite a bit more than I paid for it. Stupid mistake.

I always look at them but can never decide which caliber I might like. Seems if I do buy one it will be for life, so not a simple choice.
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