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Stupid Question Time.
#16
the truth is ....it all got a bit religouse and i got a bit freaked out by it. i am not a very religouse person and it was not the response i was expecting. i thought it was about some kind of secret war thats coming. please pardon my ignorance. i dont intend to upset anyone.



sorry



Robbo
If it aint raining, it aint training
#17
You've asked an honest question and you've provoked nobody here, sir!



I think we're seeing a worldview difference in action here...and we're misunderstanding you. I'm not aware of any secret war (or it wouldn't be terribly secret if the likes of ME is aware of it! <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' /> )



I still do wish to understand and perhaps be of service to you.



Could you share what you know about this secret war so I can try to see what you're referencing?



Thanks for your patience!



Kurt.
Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

-Sir Winston Churchill, Speech, 1941, Harrow School



Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not on unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

- Proverbs 3:5-6



Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong. Let all that you do be done with love.

-1 Corinthians 16:13-14



I will henceforth remember June 21st as Ron Hood The Woodsmaster Day.

An outstanding leader, mentor and friend, Ron was an example to us all. Rest in the arms of Jesus, Brother Ron, until we meet again.



http://dadsoutdooradventures.blogspot.com/
#18
Damn it Robo! Don't let a little humor mess your mind! My friend, you have an excellent question! You've partially answered it your self in explaining the typical UK response!









The rapture question is full of strangeness. Most US Christians agree there will be a rapture. They think we will be caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus and be saved from the Anti Christ kicking ass on earth. I say they are wrong and so do many others!









I think in 1988 or so, there was a book out saying so many reasons the rapture will be this year or something like that. Lot of dumass christians were fooled. My answer is "if you have to get ready for the rapture, then you aren't ready and never will be ready!"











The bible has been said there will be a rapture and there will not be a rapture! Confused? You are not alone!









If there is a rapture, they why did it take till the 1800s for someone to talk about it? People are always talking about the end time, always will. Hell, we may be around for a few more hundred years! Now the buzz word is the end time 2012!









I used to listen to this guy on shortwave, he's very much anti rapture and has the bible to back him up!

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Message of Insight and Unity 

We go into the wilderness to fulfill our hearts and empty our minds of life's garbage.
The gear we leave behind and the challenges we encounter, 
Are methods we use to cleanse our spirits.
Of Survivalists and Bushcrafters, Primitive Technologists too, we are one.........

It is the wilderness within, we strive for first and always.
Not everyone can have a cabin in the mountains.
The thread that connects us, is fine like silk and strong as steel.
Together, the song of the wilderness is the song we sing!

"And can I say something else?"
Bushcrafting is "doing what you want to do." 
Survival is "doing what you have to do"
Primitive Technology is about all of the above........

By TNRR aka "Survival Sully"
#19
Now i sound like a propper pillock,



i just thought it meant that sometime in the future there will be a conflict somewhere which people, in the know, are preparing for. i just thought that some likeminded people who love the survival way of life may know a bit more about this and i wanted to know more........however it turns out i am way off the mark and may have started something new of my very own.



so to summerise........i am talking crap and would realy like to stop now, haha





Happy new year fellow woodsmasters..........i am going to take myself outside and slap me hard around the head





Robbo
If it aint raining, it aint training
#20
Well, when we meet you can slap me hard across the head too!



What on earth is a pillock?



<img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />



<img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />



Kurt.
Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

-Sir Winston Churchill, Speech, 1941, Harrow School



Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not on unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

- Proverbs 3:5-6



Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong. Let all that you do be done with love.

-1 Corinthians 16:13-14



I will henceforth remember June 21st as Ron Hood The Woodsmaster Day.

An outstanding leader, mentor and friend, Ron was an example to us all. Rest in the arms of Jesus, Brother Ron, until we meet again.



http://dadsoutdooradventures.blogspot.com/
#21
A pillock is the same as a dumbass mate



haha



Robbo <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wink3:' />
If it aint raining, it aint training
#22
I don't know, don't really have a clue about it all.



I can't read Hebrew or Aramaic or whatever language the original Bible is in.



So until the Big G one day says: "Ho-kay youngster, here's how it's goin' down...you dig?" To that little sparkly thing that hides in the base of my spine--I'm stuck in a guessing game along with everybody else.



I don't know who to believe, cuz everybody seems to know it all.



"Check the Bible," sez they.



So how do you know which Bible to check? The King James version? The Mormon version? The Catholic version? The Lutheran version? Nobody agrees on anything. Hair up, hair down, no hair, I'm right, you're wrong, I'm God's chosen, you're going to Hell...and on and on and on and on.



So my question is...and this is where I give myself a lot of headaches...how do I trust the words of other men? The KJV of the Bible was translated by 54 men, led by a man who loved Shakespearian plays. How do I know it's right and that they didn't say: "Huh-oh...this does not agree with what we believe. Should we change it to fit our views?"



So until I get an answer, here's what I do: Live as goodly as I can, be good to others and try to help where I can. Forgive as much as possible (though it may not mean forgetting), keep talking to God and maybe he/she/it may see fit enough to give me an answer.



Somebody once asked me: "If you died today, would you go to Heaven or Hell?"



My reply was: "Yep. From Kentucky."



It's okay, they didn't get it either...



Sorry to hijack...it just kind of happened.



<img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':oops:' />
Ron Hood 6/21/11. God needed another good one for his outfit.



Plan ahead. Bring a machete.



"Then I remembered: America is afraid of cap guns, which no longer exist. Of bottle rockets and pocketknives and Islamo-Mahmuds curled beneath the bed. And America is afraid of children. Puzzled boys of eleven are led from school in handcuffs for possession of a water pistol. A cop who would do it ought to go into hiding from embarrassment, but nothing embarrases anyone any longer. Ye gods and little catfish, I thought. Bob’s right. The country is afraid. Of everything." -- Fred Reed. Free Fall: Conversations with Bob. 2010. http://www.fredoneverything.net
#23
thanks mate, my reply would be purple cheese 42





Robbo
If it aint raining, it aint training
#24
As I was composing the following in WORD, I checked in and saw the other excellent responses, and my text is probably not needed at all. However, since I did compose it, I will go ahead and paste it here. It seems from the responses that I am probably missing what was really being asked anyway.



Paste:

Quote:The thing is mate i was in arizona and heard people talking about it but when i asked questions they just bought me another beer, why do people need guns and food and ammo......what do they expect mate.



thanks



Robbo





Many Christians (not all) in the US have a surface understanding of all the doctrines, or church teachings, they believe in. Many Christians do not know their Bibles well enough to give a structured reply to any questions regarding what and why they believe the way they do. That is probably why the questions you asked were brushed aside.



Most believe the Christian Bible tells us that in the "end-times" things will get really really REALLY bad. Most believe we are now entering into those end-time bad times. These bad times, according to the Bible, will involve Governments, Government leaders, banking systems, food shortages, diseases, and even lots of environmental problems of sorts, severities, and frequencies that we have not yet seen in our recorded histories. These bad times will also bring about a world wide horrible persecution of Christians, and probably Jews. They will be thrown in prisons, be put to death, and suffer untold things for being Christian or Jewish.



Most believe, but some don't, that as things get REALLY bad for EVERYONE on the earth, faithful Christians will be instantly taken away from this earth into heaven so they can avoid the really really REALLY bad things that are about to happen to all those still on the earth. This being instantly taken away is called the "Rapture." One moment you are at your job, or at home, and the next minute you are gone off this earth and alive and well in Heaven.



Many American Christians believe this Rapture will prevent them from any bad times at all. However, if they were to only look at the terrible persecution other Christians are presently suffering around the world (death, torture, prison, being hacked up by machetes, burned alive in their homes or churches, etc.) they would see that there is no special promise to the American Christian that they will be special and not suffer like all the other Christians around the world are now suffering.



The question of, "Why prepare with guns, ammo, and food stocks if you think you will be able to avoid the hard times by being Raptured away?" is a good question. I think most believe that as the economy fails, as we lose our jobs and incomes, as we have civil unrest and anarchy developed in this country, they need to prepare for these events by stocking up. These things do not indicate a soon Rapture. Most people will tell you that preparing for really hard times as a society is wisdom.



Because nobody knows exactly when this Rapture will happen, they need to be prepared to provide for their own needs for any hard times between now and the Rapture - a Rapture that might happen tomorrow or might happen many years in the future.



Most American Christians HOPE the Rapture will be soon, but really don't know if it will even happen in their own life time.



Did this come close to answering your question? If not, let me know and I will try to help.



Mike
#25
[quote name='Skynny Lynyrd' post='313401' date='Dec 29 2008, 01:44 PM']So how do you know which Bible to check? The King James version? The Mormon version? The Catholic version? The Lutheran version? Nobody agrees on anything. Hair up, hair down, no hair, I'm right, you're wrong, I'm God's chosen, you're going to Hell...and on and on and on and on.[/quote]





The Rapture issue has to do with interpretation, not Bible versions, which pretty much say the same thing in the passages related to the Rapture. The Catholic Bible has additional books, but those books don't address this issue. IIRC the Mormons use the KJV, or at least the ones I knew did.



People make a big deal over differences in translations, but they are more the same then different.



When taking a Bible class in college, one assignment I had was to take a chapter and write the first verse from one translation, then the same verse in another, and then another, and then do the same with the next verse until the chapter was finished. Sure, there were differences, but they said the same thing.



The King James might be confusing to those who don't know that certain English words have changed since 1611. I'm not talking about "Thee" and "Thou" but words that are still common in modern American English but have different meanings. For those that want the KJV in modern English there is the New King James.



The key is to have several different translations if you really want to get into it.



It would also be a good idea to avoid any "translations" made by PC types. These just exist to promote the PC worldview and are not serious translations. They're not very common and the only time I've come across them was when I was discussing issues with PC religious types who needed a religious justification for being PC.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
#26
I believe i have mentioned already that i am not a religiuose person. And i am not. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />





thanks



Robbo
If it aint raining, it aint training
#27
i cant even spell religiouse
If it aint raining, it aint training
#28
[center]*THREAD DRIFT ALERT!*[/center]



For some reason, while reading this thread, I keep picturing Michael Jeter's character in "The Green Mile" as he's helping the guards rehearse for an execution:



"walking the mile, walking the mile, getting right with Jesus!"



I just found that line really funny.







Ok, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
"Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden



كافر
#29
Robbo, you'll have to give us lessons in the English to English translations!
Message of Insight and Unity 

We go into the wilderness to fulfill our hearts and empty our minds of life's garbage.
The gear we leave behind and the challenges we encounter, 
Are methods we use to cleanse our spirits.
Of Survivalists and Bushcrafters, Primitive Technologists too, we are one.........

It is the wilderness within, we strive for first and always.
Not everyone can have a cabin in the mountains.
The thread that connects us, is fine like silk and strong as steel.
Together, the song of the wilderness is the song we sing!

"And can I say something else?"
Bushcrafting is "doing what you want to do." 
Survival is "doing what you have to do"
Primitive Technology is about all of the above........

By TNRR aka "Survival Sully"
#30
The reason you've never heard of it in the UK is because it's a very American doctrine which we created or popularized in the 70s.



I personally think it's a foolish interpretation. Or maybe a just wishful thinking at best. Many of my close friends and even pastors do not agree with me.



I think Left Behind is available on youtube. It will give you the general idea of this doctrine.


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