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Stupid Question Time.
[quote name='Aitrus' post='315052' date='Jan 2 2009, 11:34 AM']Ben and RR,

My apologies. I'm not anti-christian, nor did I mean to misrepresent the beliefs. Just shows my incomplete knowledge of the various religions. I try, but like Wilderness Skills there's no way to learn all the ins and outs of all the beliefs.

I was just trying to give examples of the differences that exist between the various interpretations of what God wants.[/quote]

I didn't think you were, I was just pointing out that those memes have been spread by anti-Christian types on various forums. I've encountered many who intentionally misrepresented the connection between Judaism and Christianity for the purpose of attacking either religion, especially when it comes to dietary laws. Occasionally there will be a Christian who want to follow Jewish Law and wants everyone else to as well, but those types usually don't know that there is a whole lot more involved in a Kosher diet than just not eating pork or shrimp.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
[quote name='Benjamin Liu' post='315010' date='Jan 2 2009, 10:44 AM'][quote name='Aitrus' post='314981' date='Jan 2 2009, 08:59 AM']If we find something that doesn't seem to jive (look up Leviticus 11:9-10 then go have lunch at a Red Lobster) then we say that it doesn't apply in today's age or it's God's Will.[/quote]


This shows a common (often intentional) misrepresentation by anti-Christian types. Jewish dietary laws NEVER applied to non-Jews, even in Old Testament times. There were those who were not Jews but followed the same God and did not follow Jewish civil and ceremonial laws. These people are now referred to as Noachides, though that is a modern label. Obviously the civil laws were only intended for the Jewish state which ceased to exist when the Romans destroyed it.

Jewish dietary laws don't apply to non-Jews today because they never applied to non-Jews. A person can be a Jew and become a Jewish Christian like most of the early Christians before Paul's ministry, or they can be a non-Jew and become a Christian without becoming a Jew first, and if they want to they can become a Jew and then a Christian, but that is rare.


I have to disagree... first as a disclaimer- I do keep kosher- but I do not expect it of anyone else- that is between each person and God. But I will recommend it if asked <img src='<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />

Jewish dietary laws have applied to the Gentiles... Noah (Gentile) knew and kept the dietary laws before Torah was given to Israel through Moses... And what was the first sin- it was one of food in the Garden... Adam and Eve (Gentiles).... "thou shalt not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was a dietary law.


Exodus 12:19 19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a [color="#FF0000"]stranger[/color], or born in the land.

Exodus 12:49 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

I have heard some say that the laws are contained to the land of Israel which is also not correct...

Leviticus 3:17 17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

Alot of people don't realize that the dietary laws existed before they were handed to Moses to teach Israel... the laws known as the Talmud or Oral Torah were passed from father to son from the days of Adam onward... you can see evidence of this in various scriptures... Genesis 7 is a good one ...

Genesis 7:1-2 KJV Genesis 7:1 ¶ And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

If you believe that the Son of God has opened the way for Gentiles to be grafted into the covenant- then he told us what we are to do if we truly love him...

John 14:15 15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

The only commandments He ever spoke of were the ones given to Moses....

I think one of the most powerful verses I have seen about keeping kosher is actually a prophecy about the return of the Lord...

Isaiah 66:15-17 15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 ¶ They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating [color="#FF0000"]swine's flesh[/color], and the [color="#FF0000"]abomination, and the mouse[/color], shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Gotta clarify one thing here re:

Quote:a lot of the scientists there, like myself, really wanted Evolution to be true, but they have shown how ridiculous it is, using nothing more than Evolutionists proof

And some other thoughts like it.

For myself, I don't care which is the truth, and I rarely see (if ever) truth as relative. I be purty sure there is an answer, I just doubt we'll ever really know here on earth.

IMO he did, and that is all that matters, the method is beyond us.

To further address one other thing mentioned by brother Kurt along the lines of understanding him. I understand the point you are making. Mine is thus, a small child may love their parent dearly, and follow directions given dutifully and willingly, yet cannot know all that went on in the mind of the parent. Yet they trust unquestioningly and without presumption. I realize this is not the perfect analogy but I 'spect ya get the drift <img src='<#EMO_DIR#>/wink3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wink3:' /> I'm not saying one should not seek understanding, just realize that the understanding obtained here on earth will most likely never be perfect, nor does it need to be.

I rarely (as in never) quote scripture but I will here solely to give you insight into my approach/dealings with God.

From Mark 10:13-16

{15}Verily I say unto you,

Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a

little child, he shall not enter therein. {16} And he

took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them,

and blessed them.
Hope is for the lazy....

"Doing better next time. That's what life is." - The Bloody Nine

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