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Surviving In A Socialist Society
#76
Wow! Obama is going to do this, Obama is going to do that, the economy is going to do such-and-such.... If I had your crystal ball I would have made a fortune in the stock market this last year instead of losing. I'll bet you guys are rolling in the money with all that information about the future. Yeah, right!



"The Republican side of the political spectrum has been doing a lot of fear-mongering and linguistic/definitional distortions to convince the less educated, less critical-thinking people to believe that TEOTWAKI is coming..." - me



"Yes, there wasn't much difference between Obama's positions that he took in the campaign (as opposed to his extreme leftist history) and McCain." - nemoaz



A major reason we can't come to any agreement (or even carry on a meaningful discussion) on anything political is because we are all using different dictionaries (GW has one of the most unique, as in: it's not torture it's alternative interrogation techniques). What some of you call "extreme leftist history" would be defined as close to "moderate" by most experts. What some of you call "socialist" would be defined academically as well within the normal US political spectrum.



In reading through some of the rants I have to wonder if this is all just for fun or if you people really believe all this extremist hoopla. If you do believe it then you seriously need to relax before you blow a cork. If your view of the current situation and future projections is badly distorted then your planning will also be distorted and your chances of survival will be diminished. Take a deep breath, maybe a shot JD, and try to put it all in perspective.
#77
[quote name='ACPAL' post='297182' date='Nov 7 2008, 05:15 PM']What some of you call "extreme leftist history" would be defined as close to "moderate" by most experts. What some of you call "socialist" would be defined academically as well within the normal US political spectrum.[/quote]





Of course. That is how the socialists took over. They became teachers and reporters and redefined the terms.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
#78
My Dad, God bless him, was a WWII vet and my hero. He gave everything for his children and country.



My Grandparents, who need no blessing, were raised in the depression.



Both of those generations did their job. Sometimes I think too well.



We can bitch, complain and bicker all we want but the truth is that this is happening on our watch.



As for a discussion about socialism....this country slid down the slope over many years, reached the edge and jumped on November 4th in a perfectly displayed swan dive. It was tough to establish form since the water was only 2 feet from the edge.



The scores were 10, 9.5, 10, 9, and a 2 from the Isreali judge.



Barry has said he will eliminate portions of the industry I work in. I must prepare for him eliminating my job. That's what being prepared is all about is it not. That is why I started this thread. For advice, ideas, and thoughts prior too.



I figure he'll go for the quick stuff first and I have a few years. He already started by saying a handout needs to happen before he takes office. (Funny how he didn't mention Christmas, but hey we all know he meant for the stimulus to be used for Christmas, wink, wink).



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#79
[quote name='ACPAL' post='297182' date='Nov 7 2008, 04:15 PM']Wow! Obama is going to do this, Obama is going to do that, the economy is going to do such-and-such.... If I had your crystal ball I would have made a fortune in the stock market this last year instead of losing. I'll bet you guys are rolling in the money with all that information about the future. Yeah, right!



"The Republican side of the political spectrum has been doing a lot of fear-mongering and linguistic/definitional distortions to convince the less educated, less critical-thinking people to believe that TEOTWAKI is coming..." - me



"Yes, there wasn't much difference between Obama's positions that he took in the campaign (as opposed to his extreme leftist history) and McCain." - nemoaz



A major reason we can't come to any agreement (or even carry on a meaningful discussion) on anything political is because we are all using different dictionaries (GW has one of the most unique, as in: it's not torture it's alternative interrogation techniques). What some of you call "extreme leftist history" would be defined as close to "moderate" by most experts. What some of you call "socialist" would be defined academically as well within the normal US political spectrum.



In reading through some of the rants I have to wonder if this is all just for fun or if you people really believe all this extremist hoopla. If you do believe it then you seriously need to relax before you blow a cork. If your view of the current situation and future projections is badly distorted then your planning will also be distorted and your chances of survival will be diminished. Take a deep breath, maybe a shot JD, and try to put it all in perspective.[/quote]



Although I agree that much wisdom is needed to assertain what is the right time to do what, I do not believe anyone with any sense can call BHO "moderate". I agree with Ben, the terms have been changed. Look at the difference between what a "Democrat" stands for now and 30 years ago. Same with "Republicans". I know that the new Gov. will try to do away with as much of the 2nd ammendment as possible, and I believe it will target a large portion of the 1st. I will say though that it will take some time, and we should not throw out reason and patience. Be prepared, but don't jump to conclusions just yet. It will take much research and watchdogging to be sure that when we do "jump ship" that it was truly necessary!
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#80
[quote name='Annie' post='297006' date='Nov 7 2008, 10:26 AM']Stormseeker, what you said that I agreed with is that there should be flat 10% (or more) tax that EVERYBODY (including corporations) pays, no matter how much they make. I don't see how it could be any more fair than that. Just like a tithe.



Also, I'd like to see Welfare go by the wayside. People and churches should take care of their own. Those who choose to limit their families to a number they can afford to support shouldn't have to pay for the support of people who make idiotic choices.

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Annie, these two points are the main support of my personal political beliefs!!! I mean shitcan the IRS and tell those on welfare they have two years to get themselves self supporting. Then two years from that date you pull the plug. The support or assistance for those who truly are unable should be taken up by the churches and the community. You are your brothers keeper.

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Look, I'm not saying I love Obama. I've said over and over and over that for me, he's simply the lesser of two evils in my view.

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I really have a problem with the fact that we are forced to make such a choice. I agree with Muleskinner and Aboman and think we should start the ABO party and make Aboman our poster child and Abowoman our pin-up girl. What say you all?

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All I'm saying is that NO ONE PERSON can be held responsible for the condition the country is in now or will be later.

If McCAIN won the election, the same SHIT would hit the fan, and people would be bitching just as loudly then.

I'm just tired of people whining because their person didn't win.



The thing to do instead of all this political bullshitting is to get back to planning.

Because the shit IS going to hit the fan, even if we elect Ron Hood!



NOBODY can stop this big ball of shit WE HAVE ALLOWED TO BE BORN from rolling... it's too late!

We're going to have to pay the piper.

That's all.



Besides, McCain is too goddamned OLD!

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Aren't there any young, fit Republicans with brains?[/quote]





GW
Grey Wolf



Just because I'm paranoid does not mean they are not out to get me.
#81
[quote name='ACPAL' post='297182' date='Nov 7 2008, 07:15 PM']What some of you call "extreme leftist history" would be defined as close to "moderate" by most experts. What some of you call "socialist" would be defined academically as well within the normal US political spectrum.[/quote]



Clinton was a moderate. McAmnesty was a moderate. I suppose that you could say Osama would be a moderate in the Soviet Union or China. Please tell me of the context of comparing him to an openly Marxist country (or compared to the opinions of some openly marxist professors), how one could considers Osama and Hippy Joe Biden moderates? I had several openly Marxist polisci and law professors. I don't really give a shit what "academics" think. The reason they teach is because they can't do or perhaps can no longer bomb things.



Quote:Naive? Unrealistic? Doomed to failure?
Abo, that's a great idea. However, I think it would be easier if the country just split. I have no interest in any of the shit politics from the left or east coast and I'm sure they feel the same way. They don't really produce anything other than paper and welfare recipients. Frankly, I don't know what we would be losing.
#82
Actually Californication is the 8th largest economy in the world. (Hence 50 something electoral votes). Yet they still need a bailout.



Considering that, it's time for a reality check I would think. If you produce that much and are that far in the hole you should be able to tighten your belt and pull YOURSELF out.



Maybe we need a equitable electoral vote. You start with a number of votes and based on how you are doing compared to other states it can go up or down.



That way if your Cali and filled to the brim with folks willingly giving out handouts like candy on halloween you lose votes. Unless of course you can afford it.



Look at the electoral map. Who is succeding and who is failing. Michigan is a dump of an economy for example. It's antiquated and needs to evole. If that were to happen a shift would occur.
#83
There is no way I am going to work two jobs so I can give more to .gov I am not rich enough to shelter my money above board. I have been planning for this. ( it would happen no matter which one got in)I have no debt. I slowed my business down this last year. Let my last worker go at the end of summer. I can work under the table for cash. I rent my living quarters for $400. 00 a month.(Easy money under table)I pulled out of investments last year when I was warned this was coming by Ron Paul. Moved my money to safety. It does not even exist! I am going to do what the rest of the middle class should. I am going to refuse to make money for the Gov. I am going to ride the gravy train for a change. If enough of the middle class would do this it would throw a big wrench in the works. I expect most will just buckle down work harder and pay more, play less. I will think of them while on my extended 4 year vacation. At this point I am so sick of both parties, I say bring on the food stamps and hand outs.........Hello Bitterroot Mountains....I am going winter camping. No matter which one got in, the result would be close to the same. Hold on 09 will be a wild ride with much more war and much much higher taxes. Look out Iran and Russia here we come!





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#84
[quote name='Grizlander' post='297682' date='Nov 9 2008, 07:55 PM']Look out Iran and Russia here we come![/quote]

I truly doubt that Obama has the stones to take on either or both of these enemies. Besides, the Socialists have spent much of the past seven years bitching about war, so I don't know how quickly PBUH / Pelosi / Reid will be to jump into further conflicts.
"Some people think I'm over-prepared, paranoid...maybe even a little crazy. But THEY never met any Precambrian lifeforms, did they?"

- Burt Gummer (Tremors 2)



"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948



"Am fear nach gleidh na h-airm san t-sith, cha bhi iad aige 'n am a' chogaidh."

- Scottish proverb (He that keeps not his arms in time of peace will have none in time of war)



"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

- Charles Darwin
#85
Clinton was willing to attack Serbia, which got the Russian people (rather than just the government) mad at us, though I didn't hear much protest back then. The only complaints I heard were from isolationist conservatives.



Then again, there was the four years of the Bush administration between the Clinton administration and the period when the Democrats were complaining about Reagan being a war monger.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
#86
The difference I see is that, in regards to Serbia, we acted as part of a NATO operation. In Iraq and Afghanistan we acted pretty much on our own, with the backing of a few allies. I can't see NATO being overly willing to take on Russia, unless they absolutely HAD to, and the world treats Iran like a retarded step child, ignoring them despite the fact that they are running through the house with a loaded gun! <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />



No, I don't think Obama will take any aggressive actions without the approval and backing of his cohorts in the UN, essentially making us a non-threat among the world powers.
"Some people think I'm over-prepared, paranoid...maybe even a little crazy. But THEY never met any Precambrian lifeforms, did they?"

- Burt Gummer (Tremors 2)



"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948



"Am fear nach gleidh na h-airm san t-sith, cha bhi iad aige 'n am a' chogaidh."

- Scottish proverb (He that keeps not his arms in time of peace will have none in time of war)



"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

- Charles Darwin


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