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Training A Heeler Not To Heel?
#1
So I have a blue heeler mix. Today she nipped at my buddies kid's ankle when he was on a swing and broke the skin (he was moving away from her when she nipped, so it made it dig in). Needless to say, NOT COOL. She was great around the kids all day too. Bummer.



So after disciplining the pooch, I need to know, how do I get my heeler not to nip other than waiting for her to try and do it and telling her no?



My Mom said to put a muzzle on her when she is around kids. Opinions?
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#2
[quote name='tackleberry' post='227676' date='Apr 5 2008, 06:29 PM']So I have a blue heeler mix. Today she nipped at my buddies kid's ankle when he was on a swing and broke the skin (he was moving away from her when she nipped, so it made it dig in). Needless to say, NOT COOL. She was great around the kids all day too. Bummer.



So after disciplining the pooch, I need to know, how do I get my heeler not to nip other than waiting for her to try and do it and telling her no?



My Mom said to put a muzzle on her when she is around kids. Opinions?[/quote]



i think a muzzle will just make her hit them harder.



getting a good heeler not to heel is like trying to get an Anaconda not to crush you.



that's just what they do.



i am sure you could break her, but it seems like cruelty to the dog to me.



my solution? - just keep an eye on her.



dogs are weapons.



vec
#3
How old is the dog? How much of heeler is it,do you really know?



It may have just been playing, this happens with dogs and kids a lot.



Any herding dog will try and and herd any one or anything that moves. That can be a problem with kids.

They push, with theit shoulder and knock a kid down, they are just herding.

they will nip at the feet/heel cuz thats how they herd sheep/horses/cows etc...That gets the critter moving right damn now.



If it is a young dog you might be able to break them of it.



If your kid was on a swing the dog may not have understood what was going on,its kind of an abstract for the dog and maybe it was just btrying to catch the kid and save him or her.



Look at it from the dogs point of view.



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#4
She is 1/2 heeler 1/2 Mcnab and about 3 years old.



The dog was playing with the kids all day, and the kids were pretty cranked up at that point so that must have gotten her excited. I was pushing the kid on a tire swing and she got him on the back swing.



I think she was just trying to play and if I thought she was actually trying to hurt the kid that would be a different story.



I'm dissapointed because it is my friend's kid (which is sort of fortunate because I live in a VERY litigious part of the North SF Bay area) and the dog was great today. She actually climed an oak tree with me <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />.



My wife and I are youth pastors so kids are always around. Just trying to keep it from happening again.
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#5
Maybe leather gaitors?
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#6
Here in Montana a lot of people have blue heelers[ranch country] and I have had touble with them,got bit once and have had close calls a number of time,all those years of breeding to work cows,it's just what they do.
#7
It sounds like the dog was playing. The excitement of the day and the movement of the swing might have had her geared up. The swinging could have kicked in her prey drive and triggered the nip.



My German shepherd acts similar to what Dude mentioned. He hates when we are all walking and the kids are running around while he is in a heel. If allowed to move on his own, he will attempt to bump them with his shoulder back toward the rest of the “flock”. He is pretty gentle, but the instincts pop up even with a good natured dog.



If she is a pretty well-trained dog, you might want to work some obedience with her when she is in similar circumstances. A dog that is working for her handler should ignore her surroundings and focus on the requested task. The obedience commands (or retrieving or whatever works best for the scenario) will give her something to concentrate on while the kids are roaming about.



If we have people over and I think one of my dogs is becoming stressed or needs some attention, I have him join me in what I’m doing. It might be a heel while I grab another chair or a sit-stay while I throw some drinks in a cooler. Even a down-stay while I chat with someone has the dog focus on me and not the general chaos that sometimes exists with kids running around.



Good luck to both you and the pup!
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#8
The Dog Whisperer on the National Geographic channel always emphasizes that the owner has to be the dominant one, the leader of the pack. He seems to nudge or block the dog with his leg and simultaneously whisper a sort of Ssssst. I guess if you see your dog starting to go into herding mode, you intervene with something like that.



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#9
I have had a lot of dogs over the years.



I have had dogs that I believe would not be safe to have around kids, I kept those dogs away from kids.



I have only one hard and fast rule concerning dogs and kids, it is that if a dog bites and injures(breaks skin or leave a nasty mark) a child, the dog gets put down fast.



I might understand a dog biting me, but no dog gets to bite kids around me, I am not understanding or tolerant in that way.



I understand that this might well be a minority view.



As a Child I was bitten on the face and shaked by a large GSD, as an adult I have the power to do something about it.



I understand that some dogs snap at and warn kids, I understand some really good dogs, snap at, grab and bite without breaking the skin, for the most part I am ok with these dogs.



I have had several dogs herd or even corner kids or even adults.



That can be ok.



Break the skin or leave a nasty bruise is where I draw the line so far.
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#10
I have 2 Heelers, Pepper and Belle. Belle is 3 years older than Pepper and Loves everyone,Pepper is very protective of the pack and has heeled two people so far, in both instances, I was injured (knee surgery on crutches) and both people came into my space and attempted to hug me.Pepper nailed them both.



I wish I knew how to stop her from it but I know she was trying to protect me.

If you figure it out let me know.

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#11
I'd say don't let the dog play with kids but looks like it's too late.



If the instinct is strong with a herding dog and there is no other outlet, it will start to herd anything that moves. I worked my two border collies with sheep when I was in Oregon, rented a small herd once or twice a week and took lessons myself, but down here I don't have that option. My female has strong instinct to herd. She is fast to head and needs to work so she has transferred her attentions to the male who is by instinct more of a driver. Poor guy can hardly make a move before she does a wide outrun and tries to turn him, looking for me to join her herding game. It has probably ruined them both for ever working sheep again, but ... oh well.



I'd suggest you train your dog to down reliably and give her a herding outlet some way other than playing with the kids. Is she interested in chasing radio controlled cars? Will she push a soccer ball around with her nose? You could keep both dog and kids busy doing that.



Karen
#12
I guess most everyone has a different viewpoint re this thread. Fwiw..here's mine. With some breeds...kids and dogs don't mix well. Note....at times...it might be more correct to say some kids don't mix well with dogs...of any kind.



I have had several dogs over the years. Some were love bugs...others were...well...I loved them and they did well for me. It really gets my goat..in spades no less... Some people feel that dogs (any dog breed) ought to be gentle with kids and others outside the immediate "family". I do NOT feel that way. Matter of fact, almost every dog bite I have seen or heard about, on further checking...the kid and in some instances the adult were to blame. Unless the dog in question has a track record of being aggressive or mean...no way do I feel it is right to put the dog down...breaking the skin or not. Period. In truth..I think it may be a better idea to put the kid down, or the adult that has not the brains to be aware of any danger.



I realize this may have sounded as if we didn't have any kids..wrong... Matter of fact years back our youngest daughter was riding her bike and a dog came out from somewhere and bit her in the leg...nothing serious. I knew the dog and its owners...I told them not to worry..I was not going to do anything. And yes...the wound healed ok and all was well.
#13
I have owned Heelers for years, and there is a reason they are called Heelers. You could beat that dog until you got tired. And when he got up, he would go heel something or someone. It is what they are supposed to do.



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#14
[quote name='oomcurt' post='227978' date='Apr 6 2008, 04:15 PM']I guess most everyone has a different viewpoint re this thread. Fwiw..here's mine. With some breeds...kids and dogs don't mix well. Note....at times...it might be more correct to say some kids don't mix well with dogs...of any kind.



I have had several dogs over the years. Some were love bugs...others were...well...I loved them and they did well for me. It really gets my goat..in spades no less... Some people feel that dogs (any dog breed) ought to be gentle with kids and others outside the immediate "family". I do NOT feel that way. Matter of fact, almost every dog bite I have seen or heard about, on further checking...the kid and in some instances the adult were to blame. Unless the dog in question has a track record of being aggressive or mean...no way do I feel it is right to put the dog down...breaking the skin or not. Period. In truth..I think it may be a better idea to put the kid down, or the adult that has not the brains to be aware of any danger.



I realize this may have sounded as if we didn't have any kids..wrong... Matter of fact years back our youngest daughter was riding her bike and a dog came out from somewhere and bit her in the leg...nothing serious. I knew the dog and its owners...I told them not to worry..I was not going to do anything. And yes...the wound healed ok and all was well.[/quote]





I am with you on this; I wouldn't keep a dog that bit anyone without provocation. I had a pit bull in my youth and he was a great dog, but wouldn't have one now because of my kids (I know, it's the owner - but not a risk I am now willing to take). Now I rescued a Rottweiler/Labrador (they told me he was GS but no way!) and he has the exact personality of my pit bull. He alerts to every living thing that goes by and he looks and sound ferocious; if you have the balls to come through the gate he will check you out and if he knows you, he will greet you warmly. If he bites a family member, well, it was nice having him around until that time... <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/2guns.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':2guns:' />



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