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Hoodlum Vs. Anaconda?
#31
I'm quickly becoming a knife junkie. Lol. It's pretty addicting and not so simple a technology as people think. I have my cold steel recon 1 clip point folder as my self defense knife... Gerber LMF II strapped to my pack... Gerber baer grylls hatchet and my Leatherman sidekick all in my pack. Well I keep the Leatherman and the cold steel on me at all times. But it's a good thing I don't have a lot of money or I would have 1 of every knife out there. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' /> [quote name='mjh' timestamp='1391212755' post='587441']

First off , I'm a knife junkie, I have more knives than I'll ever use in a days worth of fun. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />/> I have a TOPS Hoodlum, a Buck Hoodlum, a Anaconda 7B hunter point and an Anaconda tanto point. I've used 'em all a little bit, the 7B and the TOPs hoodlum have been on multiday trips with me. Bought the longer tanto point 'cause I didn't think the 7B was long enough. I'm not a big baton person so I'm not to worried about all that, there are plenty of ways to process wood and burn it up, I don't have to abuse my knife to get the fire wood processed. It is hard with limited funds and making a choice,,,,been there, sometimes still there, still a lot of knives have shown up on the door step over the years.....If I could only do one of the knives in my list above it would most likely be the Anaconda with the tanto point. Most likely able to take a little more abuse, would have plenty of time to learn the knife as I used it. Would most certainly pair with a SAK, mulitool, and a smaller 3 inch give or take blade, mora, izula or otherwise depending upon finances.......I'd do the same with any of the above choices.....the Atax.....yea I got one of those too......ha ha...that's another topic.....search a little......

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Chris LeBlanc

Boston MA
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#32
[quote name='Chris LeBlanc' timestamp='1391233017' post='587471']

End Of The World?



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[quote name='jbarrow' timestamp='1391208003' post='587433']

I can probably find something kicking around in a drawer looking for a new owner. -JB-

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha......hoooooooo. Geez, thanks Jim. I really needed a good laugh. Nice of you to offer a blade. Typical Jim B behaviour (Canadian spelling). I sure hope you make it to EOTW this year. Love to see you man.

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EOTW2014. A get together for Hoodlums held in Salmon, Id. Info is in the Rendezvous for you section. Great classes and a place where you can put faces to names here on the forum.
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#33
Awesome... I'm going to check that out for sure. [quote name='jbarrow' timestamp='1391250689' post='587482']

[quote name='Chris LeBlanc' timestamp='1391233017' post='587471']

End Of The World?



[quote name='sled dog' timestamp='1391218116' post='587445']

[quote name='jbarrow' timestamp='1391208003' post='587433']

I can probably find something kicking around in a drawer looking for a new owner. -JB-

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha......hoooooooo. Geez, thanks Jim. I really needed a good laugh. Nice of you to offer a blade. Typical Jim B behaviour (Canadian spelling). I sure hope you make it to EOTW this year. Love to see you man.

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EOTW2014. A get together for Hoodlums held in Salmon, Id. Info is in the Rendezvous for you section. Great classes and a place where you can put faces to names here on the forum.

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Chris LeBlanc

Boston MA
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#34
[quote name='Chris LeBlanc' timestamp='1391202186' post='587423']



" ... When my wife got pregnant I realized I had absolutely no skills left from my youth. I didn't even have a first aid kit in the house. ... But it all starts with these skills and I need to learn this for my wife and son. Period." [/quote]



A suggestion, although not about knives. I do not know your "skill" with first aid, but if you're unskilled, or just "hazy" about it, you should contact your local Boston American Red Cross chapter and find out when and where they put on their Basic First Aid courses. Ordinarily they run for two nights and can give you hands-on training in basic first aid. The cost is minimal, covering the two books they give you. Those books are very well illustrated.



The course is not an EMT or paramedic course. Someone who wants those skills should attend an EMT school which is far, far more advanced and requires much more time to complete. But basic first aid is something that people use around their homes, and certainly out in the woods or mountains. I've run into people who have first aid kits who've never attended any courses and don't have the faintest idea what to do with the kits in an emergency.



Give your local American Red Cross a call. You'll be doing yourself, and perhaps your family, a favor.



L.W.
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#35
That's a great idea. Right now with the baby so young my wife and I are working constantly. We are finishing up her immigration case and most likely in April she will have to go back to Peru for up to 1 year before she can come back. Baby Noah will be going with her of course. Her story is a long one for another day. But once they leave I'm going to use that time to learn first aid, get my class A carry license and take some civilian defense classes at the police department. It's going to be a tough year but I have that time to get my stuff together.



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[quote name='Chris LeBlanc' timestamp='1391202186' post='587423']



" ... When my wife got pregnant I realized I had absolutely no skills left from my youth. I didn't even have a first aid kit in the house. ... But it all starts with these skills and I need to learn this for my wife and son. Period." [/quote]



A suggestion, although not about knives. I do not know your "skill" with first aid, but if you're unskilled, or just "hazy" about it, you should contact your local Boston American Red Cross chapter and find out when and where they put on their Basic First Aid courses. Ordinarily they run for two nights and can give you hands-on training in basic first aid. The cost is minimal, covering the two books they give you. Those books are very well illustrated.



The course is not an EMT or paramedic course. Someone who wants those skills should attend an EMT school which is far, far more advanced and requires much more time to complete. But basic first aid is something that people use around their homes, and certainly out in the woods or mountains. I've run into people who have first aid kits who've never attended any courses and don't have the faintest idea what to do with the kits in an emergency.



Give your local American Red Cross a call. You'll be doing yourself, and perhaps your family, a favor.



L.W.

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Chris LeBlanc

Boston MA
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#36
As far as using the knife to baton, this Mors Kochanski video covers that, where the knife is used minimally due to use of wooden wedges, and some other uses of a knife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvlmsH0IFT4
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#37
That was a great link thank you night dawg. There's a lot to be learned from this guy. I'm going to watch his other videos for sure. He makes absolute sense though... use a wedge instead of your knife. When I saw the videos of the Hoodlum breaking the guy was half way through the log and was banging on it like an asshole. lol.



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As far as using the knife to baton, this Mors Kochanski video covers that, where the knife is used minimally due to use of wooden wedges, and some other uses of a knife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvlmsH0IFT4

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Boston MA
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#38
There's one other issue to add with the Anaconda vs. Hoodlum. Forgive me if I missed it in the previous thread.



The Hoodlum weighs FAR less than the Anaconda. I just don't find a huge heavy belt knife to be comfortable. I know, they chop better, but I really use a chopper for chopping anyway. I can wear the Hoodlum and forget it's there. I messed with a friend's Anaconda (Tops version and I was going to get it for a nice price) before buying the Hoodlum. It was the right decision for me.



I don't know what people are doing that they manage to break one. I don't think I've ever broken any knife (well, except for a couple of leatherman one of which was being used as a pry bar and one was being used to live a Dodge 3500).



I too love the Hoodlum sheath. The best thing is it is ambidextrous for all of us Rightminded People.
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#39
Yeah I think I'm going to go the hoodlum route... I just love how brutal the anaconda looks though. But I really like the shock mitigation system in the handle. (does anyone know if this compromises the full tang aspect of the handle?) and I love the weight. Never in my life have I bothered to measure anything in such a small scale until I started tweaking my pack. The only ounces I cared about were beers. lol.



I'm waiting on the ATAX DVD that jbarrow is sending me to make a decision on that. I've got to see it in use and have it explained to me. So dang foreign to me. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



[quote name='nemoaz' timestamp='1391545768' post='587657']

There's one other issue to add with the Anaconda vs. Hoodlum. Forgive me if I missed it in the previous thread.



The Hoodlum weighs FAR less than the Anaconda. I just don't find a huge heavy belt knife to be comfortable. I know, they chop better, but I really use a chopper for chopping anyway. I can wear the Hoodlum and forget it's there. I messed with a friend's Anaconda (Tops version and I was going to get it for a nice price) before buying the Hoodlum. It was the right decision for me.



I don't know what people are doing that they manage to break one. I don't think I've ever broken any knife (well, except for a couple of leatherman one of which was being used as a pry bar and one was being used to live a Dodge 3500).



I too love the Hoodlum sheath. The best thing is it is ambidextrous for all of us Rightminded People.

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#40
Buy both! or go somewhere where ya can sample out and use both! KAS doesn't and will not stop on 1 knife! keep a journal on your observations. If you find that some of your users in the user chest aren't getting used much in your weekly chores maybe then maybe it's time to redistribute the wealth and sell em.
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#41
Welcome, Chris!



The original Hood Hunter is a blade thast i had a crush on for a while. I never got one, but i liked the knife and the though behind it. Tops makes hell for stout blades. Their as-is edge geometry in many cases leaves something to be desired, yet they have enough "meat" left on the edges as to allow reprofiling into more efficient geometry. I have owned a few Tops blades, and though i am a fan of large knives and thicker blades, they seem to be lots of weight in the wrong places, at least for the way i use my knives.



I got a chance to handle the Hoodlum, and it seems like a pretty good compromise in alrge blade to me- long, strong enough, yet light enough where it can be easily belt carried. IME, much over 20 ounces and the knife is in a pack or at home..not on you when needed.



As you will find out, i lean heavily toward Bowie knives- real ones.



ANY knife can be broken. I have broken my share, mostly knives i have made. At some point, putting a blade in a vice, or large log, and using a pipe or a club as leverage to pry/strike becomes pointless. Also with youtube...granted i have not perused ALL youtube vids..but many scenes of "batonning ' occur in campgrounds, with sawn firewood. Its not really a NEED situation- most to me, seem to be batonning wood for something to do involving a knife around a camp fire. Tha't s cool with me. But when a given knife fails because is will not split a 16" oak log in half when being beaten with a 5' x 5" "baton"....WTF kind of "survival" situation is that?

Granted, I have done exactly as i just said, with my knives, for testing. Yet when it is real life, I use a tool with more care, as it may be all i have. The extreme situation is just that- NOT everyday use. I do batton, it is just not the be-all technique it is billed as. I also don't chop alot of firewood- i break it and burn it as is. I chop alot with knives- mostly because i like it, and it tests my knives, to make things, and keep the wrists strong. Its a good capability to have, come an emergency.



Axes have failed in wood- i have seen it, as many others here have. I have had hatchets literally shatter to peices doing light battoning chores. To expect a 1/4" thick, comercially through-heat treated blade with a notch- a HANDY notch- to survive bashing through a log is a bit much.

The notch on the Anaconda was for taking pots off the fire, amoung other things. This was a great idea, and I made a few knives with that feature. Those who bought them LIKED them, and still use these knives. It seems like there are soem people online who have money to burn, to spend on knives that they then break in questionable ways, then claim the knife was a POS. Also, a truly great knife CAN take some abuse, for years sometimes, and then fail from acumulated stress.



Find knives you like- not nesesarily expensive, and take them out and use them, your way, to do jobs you find nesesary, and go from there. Get a good blade ,and really learn to use it well BEFORE dropping coin on more blades that take up space.



I'd start with an Old hichory butcher knife.
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#42
[quote name='Chris LeBlanc' timestamp='1391546450' post='587658']

I'm waiting on the ATAX DVD that jbarrow is sending me to make a decision on that. I've got to see it in use and have it explained to me. So dang foreign to me. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' /> [/quote]

Somewhere here, there is a thread about the ATAX passarounds. It may give you some other people's impressions about it. The ATAX is quite a tool. A bit of a Swiss Army Knife of larger bushcraft tools. Nothing gimic-y about it, though.
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#43
Got an ATAX for Christmas.



Got it for 2 reasons. It's a compact item that can be turned into an efficient chopper (I'm all about efficient and light these days)



2nd Reason, I bought it off Karen's Site because I wanted to give her and Jesse some support directly.



I will eventually by a Hoodlum for the same reason. Whether is will get much use, hard to say.
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#44
[quote name='nemoaz' timestamp='1391545768' post='587657']

I don't know what people are doing that they manage to break one.[/quote]



Getting back to the original question, and not being a blade "expert" in any way, it just seems obvious to me

that if you ARE going to baton with any blade with a notch, care should be taken to apply the blows BEHIND the

notch.... anything else would surely be folly..??? <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wallbash.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wallbash:' />
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#45
[quote name='macclint' timestamp='1391580880' post='587694']

Got an ATAX for Christmas.



Got it for 2 reasons. It's a compact item that can be turned into an efficient chopper (I'm all about efficient and light these days)



2nd Reason, I bought it off Karen's Site because I wanted to give her and Jesse some support directly.



I will eventually by a Hoodlum for the same reason. Whether is will get much use, hard to say.

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2 great reasons to pick one up! Do Karen and Jesse benefit at all if I purchase on amazon? or only if I get through buck / tops directly?
Chris LeBlanc

Boston MA
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