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Distance Between You And The Car In Front
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Most instructors and knowledgeable people in anti-carjacking and situational awareness warn you to stay far enough back to see the tires of the car in front of you when stopped. This is to allow you room to move in case of an attempt to breach your car. This week, I've had to evaluate 'far enough' twice. I drive both an HHR, which has a short turning radius and a Traverse, which has a huge turning radius. I've gotten in a habit of leaving a thumb's width of payment showing between the hood of my car and the lowest hanging part of the vehicle in front ( be it tires, trailer hitch, or luggage carrier). While sitting and waiting for a red light, a Mini Cooper pulled out of a store and between me and the car in front. So I cut the distance to half a thumb showing. This morning, someone tried to get a Honda Accord between me and the car in front and ended up not liking me rolling forward to deny them.



So - being 'far enough back' means what to you? Just where the lowest hanging part just grazes the front of your car (from your perspective, not actually)? Leaving a bit of pavement showing? Just enough room for...? I know it varies by vehicle but am asking your general rule.



Bob
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#2
In executive protection school we were taught at least 2 inches of pavement showing under the bottom of the tires. That would apply to trailer hitch or other extensions too.
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#3
You are right Bob you should be able to see the bottom of the rear tires.

My question is: Why not let someone trying to get into traffic into the laneway ahead of you? They may not pay you back, but may pay it forward and let someone else into traffic. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />

I am in traffic all day and find that is less stressful to give folks a break.....many times a day. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />



Sometimes they even wave thanks <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />





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Quote:My question is: Why not let someone trying to get into traffic into the laneway ahead of you? They may not pay you back, but may pay it forward and let someone else into traffic
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Because if you were to do that in Chicago, you would not move for hours, as every man jack on the road would be cutting in front of you, and the folks behind you would eventually pull you out of your vehicle and beat you to death on the side of the road...



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[quote name='Grizzly Dave' timestamp='1387481284' post='585752']

My question is: Why not let someone trying to get into traffic into the laneway ahead of you? They may not pay you back, but may pay it forward and let someone else into traffic. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />/>/>

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Normally, I do. In fact, my wife fusses at me for being too nice. However, this morning....The state is paving a major road. There are signs for over a mile that the lanes are closed ahead. In fact, for the last half mile, they even put signs on the intersecting roads. I watched this car pass other cars in both lanes using the middle turning lane, roar up to the end of line (two cars behind me) and slam on brakes, covering all four of us in smoke. As soon as it cleared, they screamed out from behind the end of the line, pulled up beside me and screamed out, 'Hey asswipe, get out of our way.' I did. I pulled forward into the single lane as did the two behind me.



I might have been wrong, but short of a life or death situation, get in line and feed in like everyone else is doing.



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#6
I agree with you Bob one of the few things that really frosts my cherry is when you have signs for 2 miles warning of a lane closing and then the Jack rabbits that have to stay in lane until the merge point. I use dto love my 1980 Jimmy with the crushed fender in those situations one glimpse at the 35 inch tires and the smashed in fender was enough to make most people back off.
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#7
From driving many years in Wisconsin, with road conditions the way they are here, you learn to drive safely. I always leave plenty of space for me to brake in case of deer, dog, etc. what works really good is a handful of ball bearings in the drivers door pocket, or better yet, the porcelain from a spark plug. works wonders!
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[quote name='tracker220' timestamp='1387552159' post='585785']

From driving many years in Wisconsin, with road conditions the way they are here, you learn to drive safely. I always leave plenty of space for me to brake in case of deer, dog, etc. what works really good is a handful of ball bearings in the drivers door pocket, or better yet, the porcelain from a spark plug. works wonders!

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Don't understand what you mean. Would you please elaborate?

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#9
I guess the denser the population the more aggressive drivers become.

I think I will have to watch out for that when I am driving in the US.



Griz
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#10
Drop the ball bearings out the window - at highway speeds with a tailgater when they bounce up they'll hit the underside of the car behind you and make a hell of a racket.
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[quote name='Bob_Spr' timestamp='1387469682' post='585745']Most instructors and knowledgeable people in anti-carjacking and situational awareness warn you to stay far enough back to see the tires of the car in front of you when stopped. This is to allow you room to move in case of an attempt to breach your car. [/quote]

A rule of thumb is a rule of thumb. Sometimes it doesn't work. Even in PP situations, what if the car trying to cut in front of you is one of the bad guys with a car bomb or half of the assault team?



Does it matter in your daily commute? Not in mine. I leave more room than most but not enough to allow a car in front.
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[quote name='cheapeats' timestamp='1387517227' post='585778']

I agree with you Bob one of the few things that really frosts my cherry is when you have signs for 2 miles warning of a lane closing and then the Jack rabbits that have to stay in lane until the merge point. I use dto love my 1980 Jimmy with the crushed fender in those situations one glimpse at the 35 inch tires and the smashed in fender was enough to make most people back off.

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What really ticks me off is when the Minnesota DOT actually encourages such behavior -- forget about Minnesota Nice merge early, just wait until the bitter end and scream to get there first.
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#13
[quote name='steve_n' timestamp='1387670450' post='585890']

Drop the ball bearings out the window - at highway speeds with a tailgater when they bounce up they'll hit the underside of the car behind you and make a hell of a racket.

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Supposedly, bikers would throw them at the surface of the road, and they would bounce up windsheild/mirror high, and the following car would get damaged. a handfull would do quite a number on a car. Depends on the distance they are employed from.
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[quote name='Grizzly Dave' timestamp='[url="tel:1387664970"]1387664970[/url]' post='585884']

I guess the denser the population the more aggressive drivers become.

I think I will have to watch out for that when I am driving in the US.



Griz

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The greater NY metro area is very aggressive in driving style. Several of the expressways can look like parking lots, literally a couple feet between bumpers... At 70 MPH!!!You aren't worried about car jacking, you are worried about contact. Very few vehicle based assaults happen here.the most common car jack is late at night in outer Burroughs when people WALK up at a light.

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[quote name='tracker220' timestamp='1387552159' post='585785']

what works really good is a handful of ball bearings in the drivers door pocket, or better yet, the porcelain from a spark plug. works wonders!

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Don't understand what you mean. Would you please elaborate?

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I want to see how someone defends this behavior when it's caught by a forward-looking video camera like the one I have in my car, and which are becoming so much more common. While tactics like this sound clever on the Net, they'll leave you open to thousands of dollars of liability in a court of law. Has anyone here checked to see if their insurance policies cover the repercussions of such actions?



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