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The Long Awaited Tarp Post!
#16
Damn fine job, even I could understand it. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />
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#17
This is a GREAT post..... thanks, Muddy.



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#18
Brilliant!



Exceptional information and presentation.





Quote:9 continuous yards of coated ripstop nylon. You could use 2 @ 4.5 yards too.



Ripstop is commonly available in 48" and 60" widths... which one (I know I can figure it out from your drawings but)



Urethane coatings tend to stink when they get old and begin to deteriorate. I have a couple of tents and a tarp system that I can't use because of the smell. I'm gonna use them as test units to try to find something that will eliminate the stink and make them functional again. I'd be happy to send them to ya!



Thanks Muddy!



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#19
[quote name='fudomyo' post='194207' date='Jan 5 2008, 04:14 AM']Snarlslayer, teach a man to fish or give him one? Have fun learning how to make it.[/quote]



So I'm guessing you make all your own gear? Tents? Knives? Guns? Backpacks? <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wink3:' />



I'm an old fat guy-- I have to prioritize what things I have to learn so I can do some cool

stuff before I die of old age.



I'd rather have an item like this made by an expert who has extensive experience and has

tested his design on three different continents.



SnarlSlayer





P.S. My momma always taught me not to take fish from strangers, so I HAD to learn to fish! <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wink3:' />
#20
[quote name='SnarlSlayer' post='194294' date='Jan 5 2008, 01:12 PM'][quote name='fudomyo' post='194207' date='Jan 5 2008, 04:14 AM']Snarlslayer, teach a man to fish or give him one? Have fun learning how to make it.[/quote]



So I'm guessing you make all your own gear? Tents? Knives? Guns? Backpacks? :wink3:



I'm an old fat guy-- I have to prioritize what things I have to learn so I can do some cool

stuff before I die of old age.



I'd rather have an item like this made by an expert who has extensive experience and has

tested his design on three different continents.



SnarlSlayer





P.S. My momma always taught me not to take fish from strangers, so I HAD to learn to fish! :wink3:

[/quote]





....:)....
#21
Muddy, those are some great insturctions!

Makes me want to get my sewing machine out and I just put the danged thing away!



Here are some more tarp, bivy, and other gear patterns and instructions.



I want to make one of these bivies for my next summer trek:



[url="http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html"]http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html[/url]



[url="http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/ultralight/default.asp"]http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/ultralight/default.asp[/url]
#22
Muddy, this is fantastic. With luck, I'll be at the next rendezvous, with my own tarp, 'cept mine will be cooler. Dunno how, perhaps gun ports, or self tying guy lines. Honestly though, this thread is getting downloaded and implemented. Just so happens I have some material that was going to be a hammock, though after a few freezing nights in another hammock, I think it'll serve me better as a tarp.
Truly lazy people do things right the first time.
#23
one more question. I'm assuming the Peaked ends require the tarp to be pitched in the same manner each time. Has this been a problem for you in any way? Or in other words, are the peaked ends worth giving up the ability to pitch the tarp in various other manners one could with a non-peaked end tarp?
Truly lazy people do things right the first time.
#24
Thanks so much Muddy you did a great job on this <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' /> How will you ever out do this <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />
- Woodsmaster -



Guide my feet along the trail
#25
Muddy, I got some fabric today I thought was nysil.

But I reubberbanded it over a glass and poured some water in.

After about 3 house, there was water in the glass, so it is not waterproof.



It must be some sort of taffeta or ripstop.

Is there a way to waterproof it?
#26
Awesome MB...



I love tarps personally and am looking forward to getting my wife to sew one of these when she gets the time....



Thanks for the hard work that you put in...



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#27
Awesome work Muddy! I believe I'll have to try this...









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#28
MB,

Since I have not seen one of your tarps,I am curious what width webbing you are using?Did you sew your own net or are you using a standard insect bar?I have always been a hip roof fan so I rather enjoy the shape.Very good point on the grommets,sewn can give you good tensile strength.The way you put that got me thinking about some other things,thanks again.
#29
Cando2,



The webbing is Mil-W-43668 class III (1") and My bug tent is a modification of Ray Jardine's design that I made myself. You can hang anything under it that you want if it will fit between the two main rig point's inside loops (10') Yeah, I'm a fan of load rated stitching. Simple is good! Glad to help crank the think turbine.



Annie, that is a micro weave "Zero-P" parachute fabric. Good for sleeping bags, wind shells, stuff sacks and what have you. Coating fabric is a process that is generally NOT a money saver! A test for Nysil is to take a swatch and stretch it over a block, then scrape it with a knife. Real nysil will give up a little of the coating. Once you know what it feels like you'll have it in your mind. Don't try to use polyurethane from the hardware store unless you want to decoupage your deck to look like a tent floor. (Who knows? Might be nice!) Kenyon does make a liquid K-kote which is good for recoating tent floors (especially on 20 year old beat up geo-domes) But it is rough to get even. I wouldn't want to try to coat yard goods with it. That's on my list of "Thankless Tasks."



Ron is right about the old Urethane coating! Cat Urine smell comes from the urea based formulation of the old vehicle. Now they use a really good water based system. A 10% white vinegar wash with thorough rinsing helps some. My old Geo dome doesn't smell, I think my chalk bag has a lot to do with that. Chalk bags are designed by the devil to get chalk everywhere EXCEPT on your hands when they are sweaty (at which time they will be hanging off the back of your gear totally out of reach.) The new urethane coating stuff is better and the ethylene is better still! The Vinyl rocks but weighs like rocks and best saved for drybags. ALL coated fabrics have a "half life" of about 12 years (based on current tech) meaning you should be able to get a whole lot of use out of it before you really have to worry about it much. By the way Ron, 60" is what I usually buy. I also see 54" a lot but I shop Pro-sumer/Pro. I also see 72" in some types (Mostly GI poncho shades)



I've messed around with a lot of Nysil and just don't enjoy sewing it. I tend to go grab the honey jar so I have a little bit of traction for handling it. Nysil requires patience, a clear work space (sans cat) and very deliberate technique. It is very good at some stuff, like being very light and very waterproof. I personally choose 1.9-2.2 ripstop for it's strength, durability and handling characteristics. The weight savings is on average about 30% with Nysil, but weight isn't my only criteria, even as an ultralighter.



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#30
Great job Muddy, you need to do a how to book, I will buy a copy. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />


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