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Are You Ready?
#46
Thanks for the insights nwmanitou and Arizona Guide. I will give it a chance. I would greatly appreciate getting some help, advice and ideas in a local hands-on way from those more experienced than myself in prepping for the inevitable.



Bryan
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#47
My family and I are some what well on our way . we are almost at our years

supply of food and water ,and who can ever have enough tools and weapons and the ammo

to go with it. We will be relocating to a small farm next year and building a house

but i know that we could make it through most disaters at the moment. (most of the other money will be going into the house), but we still buy double and try to stay within our means.



take care

Bubba
"Can't stand rude behavior in a man, won't tolorate it!!"

Capt. Woodrow F. Call



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#48
Thanks for the stockpiling process tips. We are usually very good about having at least a couple of months food stockpiled but lately..... Since we have the commisary case lot sales coming up soon, i will be able to add a couple cases each of tuna, beans, fruits, veggies, soup, sauces, and stew. We will also be adding a couple cases of noodle and rice package meals, mac, rice, and dried soup. And of course we will be adding a case of coffee, tea, hot cocoa, tang, a huge supply of TP, paper towels, foil (gotta keep the old chapeau looking spiffy!) matches and spices. This summer, we bought some extra coleman fuel, kerosene, lamp oil, and canisters for the backpacking stoves. As far as water I have an 18' above ground pool which can provide for most water needs for a bug-in. For bugging out, we are getting the jeep put back in off-road conditions and getting the trailer built to carry all our goodies. The whole family has been to the range several times and are using it as our way of rotating our stocks of ammo to make sure the guns go "bang" when we need them to. The BOBs are getting checked to make sure that we have seasonally appropriate clothing in each one. Then we will have a practice bug out/family camping trip to make sure it all works for us. The hardest thing to learn and teach the family and others is that this is a process of preparation. You cannot just go from 0-60 in one day or even in a year, you have to set achievable goals and then work at reaching those goals.
"...Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most

of them seemed to come from Texas."

Casino Royale. Chapter VII
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#49
Careful of using pool water, filters will not be able to deal with the pool chemicals,salts, and cootes you might find in a pool. Think about something else for drinking water storage.
"Pain Heals, Glory Lasts Forever" ( Falco )



There are 10 kinds of people in the world.

1. Those who understand binary,

2. And those who don't.
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#50
When drinking pool water remember the words.



Total Dissolved Solids.



Mineral content goes up as H2O evaporates.



Run off in the desert does pretty much the same thing as it dries.



Still, Pool water is pretty wet, and very inviting.
Andre Dumouchel





Having My Name and Living in Texas, it is simply assumed that I will Eat Anything and have Primitive Skills.

(Some Women like a Fella that has Primitive Skills!)

(Some Men Too, and That's Ok!)

Stupidity can be painful, and fun to watch from time to time.
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#51
I have read (well most) of this post and im definately NOT prep'd by the definitions that you guys/gals have posted.



I do raise question though at the 1yr+ stockpiling that some of you are doing.



Firstly, what do you plan to do should the SHTF senario befriend us and your house is gone? be this natural or man made disaster?



Following this I raise question to FEMA and their far reaching scope to take over everything. Specific to food is: Exec Order 10998, Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.



[url="http://freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm"]http://freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm[/url]



Plus dont forget the whole door to door round up of firearms that FEMA did following Katrina. If they were willing to go door to door searching homes for/siezing firearms (regardless of the constitution and bill of rights) if they come across your 1yr supply of food, water, ammo etc... well need I say more.



Just MHO but is it not better to learn to live from the land and not the closet? Now I will admit that there is much, much more for me to learn and Im not saying that i am correct and everybody with a diff opinion is wrong... Posing the question to get people thinking.



Love ya all
Peace, Love and Penicillin
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#52
If we didn't store any supplies, because sombody might come and take it. None of us would have any supplies at all. I have participated in a few FEMA practice drills, and they couldn't find their ass with both hands.



I buy a case of something every time I go to SAM'S Club, and put it in the pantry. Heading for the woods and living on nuts and berries, is a last ditch thing. And not practical for families, or people with disabilities. Store up what you can, and keep your mouth shut. Don't start a soup kitchen, or invite the neighbor hood over to share your supplies.



Beans and bullets, will always be worth something.





Muleskinner,
He who hesitates is lost.



If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space.



Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.



You can lead a fool to talk, but you can't make him think.



Sometimes I wake up grumpy, and sometimes I let her sleep.



There are damm few problems that can't be fixed, with a long handled shovel and a thirty ought six.
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#53
MS hits it and hits it right on....living off the land is not an option for the majority of the people in this country.....FEMA has proven to be quite inept in handling major disasters.....can they spell KATRINA?



Survival doesn't mean heading out to the woods, wherever they, the woods, might be, but rather in PREPARING for what may occur in your area and taking the proper precautions..... How many 75 and 80 year old parents/grandparents can abandon their homes and head to the woods?... As survivalists do we abandon them? Are you willing to live with the fact that you abandoned your family? What happens when your meds run out, or you get a cold or infection, toothache, can't get to dialysis, etc.......



No-one can prepare for everything, but the prudent person does prepare for that which may affect them and theirs....



Beans and bullets are high on my list, and always will be....a little Tp doesn't hurt, nor does the odd bottle of wine or booze......but everything in it's place and everything in context to what we are trying to do....



End of rant.



Dave
Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps!


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#54
Just because in backwoods, hic'ville wherever the hell u are, USA the local FEMA affiliates cant find anything...doesnt mean that in an actual SHTF senario they will be the guys coming to your home. UN troops?



Beyond this, I didnt say dont store supplies... I was bringing into question the concept of storing 1+year of supplies. Stimulating thoughts here not looking for a fight... Think we could leave insecurities aside in order to discuss progress?



must I quote myself...



well here I go



"Im not saying that i am correct and everybody with a diff opinion is wrong..."



Long term stockpiling seems to me to be putting all your eggs in 1 basket... what else could we as a community be doing?
Peace, Love and Penicillin
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#55
Ain't nobody picking a fight......nor are snide comments appreciated.....



Just pointing out, and nobody uttered a word that you were wrong, dissenting thoughts from anyone can lead to more productive decision making...that living off the land is not really a viable option for the majority of people in this country, regardless of their mind set.......



My thoughts are, and will continue to be that it is incumbent upon everyone to prepare for what may affect them...not preparing IS inviting disaster, (ya put gas in your car often enough to get to work on time), whether it be for 1 month or 1 year...



And for craps sake, if things degenerated into UN troops coming into your house, don't you think that things have gotten so bad that you would be well past worrying about what they want to take?



And will your rifle/pistol/whatever stand up to the barrel of an M1, Leopard, etc..... Come-on, what I am asking is use a bit of common sense.....



For the record, I am not attacking you...but I am asking that you think this out...



Please feel free to PM me so that we can continue our discussion.



Dave
Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps!


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#56
Bugging in is the first choice if possible. So everyone needs to be prepared in their home to weather a storm of whatever type. Bugging out is the back up plan. A place to go, the gear and supplies to handle you when you arrive.

Being on the road-in the woods, whatever, with a backpack and hand to mouth existance is the thing to avoid if possible.



And No, a years supply of food and such is not out of line in making preparations. It should be more than that.





Also, FEMA did not go around confiscating guns during Katrina. The NOLA police chief tried to do that.
"A Nation of Sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

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#57
...And got slapped down for doing it.



This whole process is like eating an elephant. You know, "bite at a time."



Just before I went to college, I took a look at some of the ways my parents did things. The pantry was full of canned and dried goods. There where two pantrys at opposite ends of the house (when we moved to a property with a garage one pantry moved into it.) The cars all had tools, food, water, fuel, clothes and sleeping bags. Every bedroom had extra blankets, flashlights and candles or lamps (19th C.). Most rooms had victorian match safes over the light switches. Dad always ordered 10 cords of wood IN THE SPRING! I'm pointing all this out, not because my parents are Survivalists ( which they'd laugh at) but because they are practical. We lived in the snow belt. Getting snowed in for three days happened a couple times a year. Blackouts from thunderstorms, more than that. By the time I was five I thought that parking the car in a snow bank and "car camping" was something everybody did. I thought they did it on purpose! It Happens.



Preparation isn't some paranoid practice, it's really living in the real world. It's really looking at the odds and then stacking your own deck so you win out. Upstate, I'm more worried about weather and blackouts. In town, infrastructure failure of several kinds and possible civil unrest. UN Troops, I'll give it a .003% worry factor this week. Dirty bombs or nutcases with guns rank much, much higher.



Muddyboots
Shared pain is lessened, shared joy is increased!

Thus do we refute entropy. -S. Robinson



Communication is a Survival Skill! So is critical thinking!





When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything—you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.



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#58
Well, this is a fun game...



I'm kinda thinkin'... It isn't the UN troops we need to worry about. I would imagine that we don't have to worry about being invaded, or taken over. Instead, what if we get blindsided by a couple of nukes? Not dirty bombs, but the real deal? Say... NY, maybe? How about the west coast... LA and/or San Francisco? If not IBCMs, then smuggled in and assembled in-place.



It isn't the nukes I worry about, but the aftermath.



Remember that there were refugees from NOLA that tried to walk out, and were turned back by police. And the refugees were not contaminated with radioactive fallout! It would be my guess that any such event would instantly get the area sealed off. No one in or out, deadly force authorized



What would follow? Food riots? How about thousands of bodies no one is cleaning up? Typhoid, plague? I don't know what diseases follow such events. No FEMA response, zero. Like that is a Big Loss, right? <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



Instead of UN, I think you would see martial law enforced by the local National Guard and police. If they go door to door, it would be pretty desperate. I think they will be very, very busy isolating the affected areas, and putting down food riots in the cities. Trying to get the infrastructure to operate in the areas not affected. That sort of thing. It would probably be a long, long time before any attempt would be made to aid the affected areas.



If you are in a rural area, heartland America, you should probably be isolated from door to door confiscations... Maybe not, who knows? But I think that the martial law would be mostly concerned with the big population areas.



I wouldn't want to be near any big cities, or on either coast over the next... Oh, 15-20 years or so...



While we're daydreaming, maybe we can arrange to have Starbucks eradicated? Their coffee really sucks.



I know! After you get yer shit together, and yer supplies in-hand, let's start a thread on the things we want to see go bye-bye when the big one hits...



B.

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#59
Hey Idaho Bubba, It's good to see another Post Falls resident around here.



That's where I live.



Living off the land is not going to work.



Hunting will not be viable. If the SHTF to the point where people are actually trying that, the hills will be picked clean in days and the game will either be hunted to extinction or driven so far out that you will never find it.



So don’t plan on wild survival. Better off knowing how to plant a garden and recycle what you got.

Stock up on bullets and bandaids and hope for the best.



If you live where you can grow your meat, that’s great. Be prepared to protect it. The same people out ravaging the hills for food will ravage the farms first.
"Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, by God, do you learn." – C.S. Lewis
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#60
I suppose that I could say, that my preparations are "a work in progress" in that I am continually adding to what I already have. I have a 3 Day supply of emergency food, Weapons, Several handaxes, Woodmans pal, Knives, Camping gear, sleeping bags, First Aid supplies (a large amount) including prescription medications, Portable Radio, Flashlights, Lanterns, Firearms and Ammo. etc
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