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#1
im am sure that you have been aked this b4 but Im looking to get some opinions.



for the sake of arguement, all hell has broken loose. society is breaking down and martial law is looming (its bug out time). you have your BOB. packed with your favourite pieces. no idea how long you will be away (potentially years). being that you are stepping into the unknown...



do you bring a firearm for defence?



If so, What and why?
Peace, Love and Penicillin
#2
.357 revolver. Can use .38 and .357 rnds. Ammo availability, it's everywhere. Good stopping power. Ease of use, no safety...point and press. Your wife and kids can use it, not too much recoil. You can only carry 300 or so rounds on you body and in your pack, so you should cache ammo in your AO. A good 12 ga pump shotgun probably should be your primary self defense weapon.



Now with that said, I prefer a .22 auto (Ruger 22/45), as my SHTF sidearm. I know others will disagree. You can hoard thousands of rounds, probably enough to last a lifetime. It's accurate. Real easy to use...and relatively quiet. I don't care what anybody says, It will put a hurt on somebody and take the fight right out of them. A well placed shot will drop someone like they were pole axed. Low recoil, ease of follow up and follow through, ammo availability and choise of speciality rounds are also a consideration.
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#3
[quote name='GBRmedic' post='87897' date='Sep 22 2006, 12:53 PM']im am sure that you have been aked this b4 but Im looking to get some opinions.



for the sake of arguement, all hell has broken loose. society is breaking down and martial law is looming (its bug out time). you have your BOB. packed with your favourite pieces. no idea how long you will be away (potentially years). being that you are stepping into the unknown...



do you bring a firearm for defence?



If so, What and why?[/quote]





To answer your question just take a look at what happened in New Orleans from just a hurricane with the rest of the country still intact. There was mass looting, people where being robbed in there own houses. Poeple where dying on the streets. Who was going to protect you and your family, the police? The police where no where to be found. Except when they where going door to door trying to take legally owned firearms away from law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves from the scumbag lowlifes running around with illegal firearms robbing and looting. <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':censored:' /> And then to top it all off the gutless police chief quiets while his men where down at the cadillac dealership stealing cars instead of helping people in need. At the stadiums where the people where massing for protection there where robberies. Women were getting raped. People where dying and left laying where they died. And that was just in one city with the rest of the country supposedly coming to their aid.

Does that answer your question?



As far as what it depends on you. Some people like large magazine capacity with small caliber and small recoil.

I myself would take the same thing I take to the woods. Smith&Wesson 629 .44 mag. with 6" barrel loaded with .240 grain hollowpoints. I want to stop what I hit. .300 grain has to much kick and loses accuracy.

I keep it in a western style belt holster that rides down on my right leg for quick access.



In the SHTF senario I would also have my barretta 9mm brigadier in shoulder holster w/ 2 extra clips on other side of my galco shoulder holster. I also have my favorite, Para Ordanance "C6" Mini .45 in small of the back galco holster with 2 extra 6 round clips on my regular belt. Just in case I got taken by suprise and I had to give up my .44 and/or 9mm. You can never have enough gun or guns when in a SHTF survival situation. If you are going to need it for a SHTF survival situation your most likely going to be out numbered so you need to be reaching for the next gun as soon as one goes empty. No time for reloading in real life.



So I would say yes you need a gun!!

But these are also just my humble opinions.
"The sun has not risen on the day that I will face death graciously. I will kick, and claw, and bite, and scratch, and spit my last breath in it's face. Never give up!"



"Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed.

Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours.

Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death."
#4
Interesting so far.



I must add that Im was born in the UK and dont have much background with hand guns. I have been keeping an eye to the forum and have bought a .22 LR rifle to keep on my pack (hunting gun, can keep 250 rounds in the stock).



I have been looking at self defence hand guns. taken a liking to the Glock 22 .40 cal. Although I like the simplicity of a revolver the capacity of a semiauto seems to make more sence. I like the .40cal as it has more stoping power than the 9mm and in a stress shooting senario accuracy is not always a dependable asset (my thinking).



Is my thinking wrong?



Rant away, Im learning from you guys/gals.

(i can help with medical questions)
Peace, Love and Penicillin
#5
[quote name='GBRmedic' post='87910' date='Sep 22 2006, 02:09 PM']Interesting so far.



I must add that Im was born in the UK and dont have much background with hand guns. I have been keeping an eye to the forum and have bought a .22 LR rifle to keep on my pack (hunting gun, can keep 250 rounds in the stock).



I have been looking at self defence hand guns. taken a liking to the Glock 22 .40 cal. Although I like the simplicity of a revolver the capacity of a semiauto seems to make more sence. I like the .40cal as it has more stoping power than the 9mm and in a stress shooting senario accuracy is not always a dependable asset (my thinking).



Is my thinking wrong?



Rant away, Im learning from you guys/gals.

(i can help with medical questions)[/quote]



In a SHTF scenario, I would think that carrying a long arm would make you a target. The bad guys can see you as you move thru an area, but you wont know of them until they make contact. To me, blending in would be more advantageous. I'd have my Glock-19, as many magazines as I had available, plus my Glock-26 as a back up. The idea is to get home, or away form the danger as quick as possible. A warm coat and a small backpack make you appear like everyone else. Long distance encounters are to be avoided. No matter what you have with you, you are probably outnumbered and outgunned. That's the time for stealth and evasion. A surprise enounter, which will more than likey be up close --pistol is your answer.
#6
in a shtf scenario, a high cappacity semi auto would be nice.it can be fired extremely fast, and an extra clip could be swapped in seconds.

a revolver on the other hand is simple, and less likely to give you problems when you need it most.(kiss theory right?) although a revolver can't be reloaded in a snap like a semi auto.you got 6 or lessshots .when your empty, thats it.

if i got to pick a few, i'd take a 1911a1(.45 acp) high cappacity colt, for its stopping power. i also just kinda like them for some reason. also i'd take a .22 semi auto, cause there is a big difference between 100 .45 shells, and 100 .22 shells. either way if you get hit, your in trouble.

the last thing i'd take would be a mossberg homeland security twelve gauge.it is pretty versitale,and probably be good deterent in itself.

get a couple of high quality knives keep them on your person. make sure they can be acessed in as little as time as possible

just my oppinion

sg
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#7
[quote name='Tallquietman' post='87917' date='Sep 22 2006, 03:25 PM'][quote name='GBRmedic' post='87910' date='Sep 22 2006, 02:09 PM']

Interesting so far.



I must add that Im was born in the UK and dont have much background with hand guns. I have been keeping an eye to the forum and have bought a .22 LR rifle to keep on my pack (hunting gun, can keep 250 rounds in the stock).



I have been looking at self defence hand guns. taken a liking to the Glock 22 .40 cal. Although I like the simplicity of a revolver the capacity of a semiauto seems to make more sence. I like the .40cal as it has more stoping power than the 9mm and in a stress shooting senario accuracy is not always a dependable asset (my thinking).



Is my thinking wrong?



Rant away, Im learning from you guys/gals.

(i can help with medical questions)[/quote]



In a SHTF scenario, I would think that carrying a long arm would make you a target. The bad guys can see you as you move thru an area, but you wont know of them until they make contact. To me, blending in would be more advantageous. I'd have my Glock-19, as many magazines as I had available, plus my Glock-26 as a back up. The idea is to get home, or away form the danger as quick as possible. A warm coat and a small backpack make you appear like everyone else. Long distance encounters are to be avoided. No matter what you have with you, you are probably outnumbered and outgunned. That's the time for stealth and evasion. A surprise enounter, which will more than likey be up close --pistol is your answer.

[/quote]





Actually in a SHTF scenario I'm not worried about stealth. Everybodies trying to survive. I like carrying my Stainless marlin guide gun when I'm not hunting and on foot hiking and camping. Escpecially since Hornady came out with the new Lever Evolution shells for the .45/.70. Much more hitting power now and much better accuracy.

But again in the SHFT work your looking for maximum firepower. I like the hitting power of a Ruger Mini .30 chambered for .308. But the CAR .223 is a much better urban survival gun. Light, easy to carry and if you ever have a part go bad and need to change it out the parts are everywhere. the .223 is also better at reaquiring your next target because it doesn't have as much kick.
"The sun has not risen on the day that I will face death graciously. I will kick, and claw, and bite, and scratch, and spit my last breath in it's face. Never give up!"



"Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed.

Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours.

Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death."
#8
I keep thinking on this and I keep coming up with the same thing



Either my Mini 14 with folding stock or my AR with collapsible stock



Both are short enough to be hidden under my field jacket so from a distance you dont look like you are carrying.



Why do I choose this one?



Hypothetically speaking here:



Both rifles are accurate enough for the job.



With 223 ammo I can use my own loads along with surplus or ammo I happen to find "lying around"



64 grain power points will take medium sized game



55 grain FMJ with 6 grains of Unique will take small game



Regular surplus will take two legged varmints



If I carry one of these and my 20 gauge NEF shotgun I am in pretty good shape



1911 would be good too



Kid
Live with honor, ride with truth.  Be friendly to others.  But always carry a gun on your side and a knife in your boot because there are those that do not feel the same as this.


#9
Ruger Security Six, Stainless Steel, four inch barrel. Easy to carry, shoots .38 special or .357 mag, and can be purchased used for about half of what a new auto costs. Use the extra money to buy a good holster and ammo. Shoot it until you are sick of it, then shoot it some more.



This gun will handle anything short of a large bear, and it will even do that if your nerves are up to the task. With this on your belt and two speed loaders in your pockets, you are as well armed as anyone you are likely to meet. Remember, you are only out gunned if you miss.



Muleskinner,
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#10
I like the handgun rifle combo's. I have a 357 revolver and a 357 lever action rifle. I also have a ruger 9mm pistol and the ruger 9mm rifle they take the same mags. I have a smith & weson 44 and a 44 rifle. I have a ruger single six 22 revolver and ruger 10-22 rifle. They are my main stock of ammo at this point. I have all my shotguns and hunting rifles and plenty of ammo for them as well. And my sks with a year sup of ammo for it if i shoot right.
#11
We've pretty much broken the toys down into two categories, weapons and hunting arms.



Weapons:

.223 in the AR and the Mini 14 design.

.308 FNFAL scoped

.45 handguns

.22 handguns

Defensive 12ga shotguns



Hunting arms:

A variety of bolt action scoped hunting rifles .30 and larger.

.38/.357/.44mag handguns

semiauto hunting arms.



Our strategy is to stay in place. Simple stuff, defend the homestead. Our neighbors are like minded. This is a bad area to enter if you want to do damage to any of our friends and neighbors. We have body bags. If you try to steal, rob or rape one of those bags is available for occupancy.



I don't plan on moving anywhere but then we don't live in a large metropolitan area. Our neighbors all use the same calibers we use.



The vehicles are simple. 12 gauge shotgun. - .45 auto - .22 pistol



Ron
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#12
A good friend of mine keeps pushing me to the Glock22 .40cal. He has used for years on duty.

any thoughts. He has brought up a good point that chances are that in my previouws senario he will be there right along side. avalibility to share ammo and so on.





please keep on with suggestions. i really appreciate the guidance (not my world yet)



Also, where is good place to pick these up used (if that is a good idea?)
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#13
Ron this is very true. In fact a scare in the food source is going on now. It goes to show how fast it can take place. The ecoli in the spenadge ( i know the spelling is wrong but the thought is right) it is affercting 22 states with multy death as wee speak. We need to be ready. It is time to stop talking it and start doing it. We have family night evry monda. For that family night for the next month is up to me again to teach being prepared. Evry year we redo our 72 hour kits and plan our year at our church cannery. Your family can be your strongest clan if they are like minded and prepared with you. Not a burdon and not prepared they would be a detrement to your clan. We are all hunters and very good marksman. In total we have 7 Men, 10 boys from 18 down to 6 years old, And eight woemen. all but the very young have learned to work hard and be aware of evrything going on around them. Our girls Hunt and shoot with the rest of us. We can hold here or go for the hills. We will most likely stay here and stand our ground in My home. We have 20 50 gallon barels full of water and stored here in my home.as well as a fairly wel put together food storage. We are pretty well set at any home we need to go to. But mine would be the easy one to defend with the block wals and block fences around the whole yard. So as long as my house is not gone it will be our head quarters for as long as we can.
#14
Discretion is still going to be important during the SHTF period. I wouldn't want to have to explain to the blue helmets why I am walking around with an AR or FAL.



While there is no definitive answer to this much discussed question, the short answer is.......use whatever you got to the best of your ability and hope for the best.



I have training, as some, if not most of you do. So I may be just slightly moe prepared than some. However, unless you are very hard core, I don't think anybody is truly prepared for TEOTWAWKI. I know I ain't.
If you treat your dog like a person, he'll treat you like a dog.......
#15
I won't argue the simplicity or ammo options with a 4" .357. I'm more proficient with a semi-auto pistol so:



SWalther SW99 w/Trijicons in a Safariland 6004

Kimber Ultra Carry w/Meprolites on the belt

4-5 mags for each



Jason


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