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How Do You Recommend Storing A Stash?
#1
I was a little hesitant to ask this question in an open forum.



I performed a search for a similar topic but did not find anything......



Grains, rice, etc sealed in mylar bags with oxygen absorbers and/or DE and then placed in plastic buckets are a given.



Admittedly insects and rodents can do little harm to the contents of glass or cans, but rodents are undesirable in any location and situation.



Thin plastic containers so much of our foods & non-food items are packaged in today may be fairly insect proof, but they present little resistance to rodents, and the paper & cardboard containers present virtually no resistance to insects and absolutely none at all to rodents.



I don't have a spare bank vault to use as a storage room, <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />/> ; so, how do you recommend storing food and non-food items to prevent insect and rodent access, contamination and/or adulteration.
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#2
I hear ya!

stroring things at my camp can be a PITA, as you never seem to be able to keep the little bastards out- mice, red squirrells, ect. They can/will chew through 2" of wood to get to something tasty. Or even TP.



What about a wooden crate to fir your stash, covered with 1/4" hardare cloth- fit it well, and staple it on? That shoul dkeep them from munching away on your stuff. in fact, i am going to try this out, make up a couple of footlocker/trunks like this and see how they do. Should only have to buy some hardware cloth and some hinges, ect. The rest will be rough cut lumber.





Other than that, some of those aluminum medical boxes would work, but they are pricey.
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#3
used aluminum pick-up truck boxes.....you can find them used everywhere,

and are usually cheap, and they usually have some sort of seal around the lid, some with sliding trays, easy to lock.....

it seems to me that that would cover most of the problems...



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#4
I agree with all Luvfal said.



Last year, I bought a 3'X100" (+) roll of SS, 00 screen (like the screen used for bongs... <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />/>/>) for $3.00. A gnat cannot get get through this stuff! We will use this to cove windows, wrap stored goods etc.



We store most in metal "garbage" cans, however there is a lot in 5 Gal. buckets. We have not had any problems with critters (so far...).



We all have different challenges as to storage A lot depends on where we are. Listen to all and decide what works for you.



My advise, find (not buy) a good "barn cat"! Not perfect, but they do a great job. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />/>/>



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#5
the used pickup tool boxes sound like a great idea.



I use one of these in my shop to keep the mice population down. The darn buggers got into some of my loading supplies. Chewed up some shotgun wads and bullet boxes.



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#6
shop cats can be a mixed blessing. My wife thought it was a great idea to put a feral cat in my shop, ya know, to eat mice.

Well, aside from NOT eatign any mice, he proceeded to knock about everything off shelves, piss on everything, ect.





It was a neat learnign experience: he pissed on my drill bits, and on some brass, and soem loaded 10mm rounds. I di not find these until a few months later. The amonia in the cats urine actually ate through the brass..... yikes!

I knew amonia was not good for brass, but getting full penetration in a few months was unexpected.





Great mouse trap, loner, one of those cleaned the rats out of my dads garage once.
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#7
Lufval,



I specifically said "good" barn cat!



Obviously you got a bad one... <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />/>



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#8
I had an uncle who used galvanized trash cans in his cabin to store his food stuffs through the winter, then used them to hold trash while he was there during the camping season. Seemed to work out pretty well, although hauling them in was a pain initially. Bungee cords over the lids and through the handles locked everything down pretty well.
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#9
An inelegant bulk solution might be to pack your Mylar Bags Inside New Standard Galvanized 55 Gallon trash cans. Make sure they're the type where it takes a definite "Ummph!!!"

to take the Lid off.



You can't stack them and the cans will be relatively expensive—but until you get around doing something better, you could probably buy a half-dozen, at least. A half-dozen cans full of assorted beans and grains ought to get you flying into a crisis with a big head start.



If you get more sophisticated storage stuff later, the cans can still be put to myriad uses.



I thought that you were talking about Cacheing Guns.



That warrants a Caution.



A fellow that I know had lots of money and cached a brand-new, barely broken in AR-15 along with plenty of Chemical Desiccant.



A couple or three years later he dug it up, just to check on it. The chemicals had really eaten into the Aluminum Receiver and the Upper Receiver. They were flaking away like they had Leprosy.



It is also said that Chemical Desiccants are Heap-Bad-Juju for cached Ammo.



About Rats: It is said that you can keep a lot of Rats from even getting started by packing Steel Wool into Strategic Spots. They don't groove on the Steel Wool and will promptly cease and desist gnawing a hole through Board, Plastic Siding whatever. Not a cure-all, but an aid.



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#10
I have not seen any insect or rodent activity thus far. But we don't want any either!



I will have to look at the metal trash cans, something I should have thought of, but just didn't. Products sealed in mylar inside the metal trash cans should be quite safe.



I really like the hardware cloth trunk idea, Luvfal. A 35 X 20 X 15 deep tubular welded frame with a hinged top covered with 1/4 inch hardware cloth or smaller size mesh should make a very nice size storage tote. I have some tubing and may have to get the mig out and try welding up a frame.



Thanks everyone for your suggestions and thinking "outside the box" ideas. Any others with ideas or suggestions please add them to the list.



On a side note RVM45, your friend should have used "RIG," Gun grease or just plain 'Ol white equipment grease. The white grease is no different from the black colored grease other than it does not stain like the black grease does. I have been using it for a dozen years or more now and much prefer it to the black grease. I read a story one time about Jessie James storing one of his six guns in a bucket of hog lard and it was just as fine when he dug it up and cleaned the lard off, as when it was put away. Don't know if the story is true or not, but I suspect the hog lard would preserve a six gun just fine for a long term storage.
Jimbo
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To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatrotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt

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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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#11
Another HD solution is to put your packages in once-used, food-grade 55 gal drums. They usually come with the metal ring seal for the lid and work well.



Some folks make BBQs, fire boxes or smokers out of them, too.
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#12
We put a couple of bay leaves in each bucket to keep insects out. Haven't had any insects . . . but I'm not in Florida either!



How does a "good" barn cat kill any mice?!!
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#13
Rodents, mice, etc., are easily kept at bay with metal or heavy plastic containers that have no food odors on them. I like 6-gal pails, and 15- and 30-gal barrels, which are easier to move and use than the 55-gal. barrels.

Insect are kept out by the same barrels that keep rodents out, but you also need to deal with the insect already in the food, especially grains. All grains have insects and/or their eggs in it. We like to put a few ounces of dry ice in the bottom of the barrel, fill it with grain, and leave the top loose. When the "smoke" stops coming out, seal it up. This purges the oxygen out of the barrel and the insects and their eggs die. We've had mixed results with bay leaves, so went to the dry ice. Commercial O2 absorbers work well, too, but can get pricey when filling lots of 30-gal barrels.
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We put a couple of bay leaves in each bucket to keep insects out. Haven't had any insects . . . but I'm not in Florida either!



How does a "good" barn cat kill any mice?!! Here little Mousey here <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whoops.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whoops:' />

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#15
Flush it.



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