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Urban Siege Scenario
#1
Here's the scenario. You are in a Philippine city Mindanao and the Muslims decide to take over. While claiming to be part of a "Peace Caravan" they use the stupidity of the government allowing them entrance to attack. This group of attackers is met by local supporters and members who entered the city covertly. Supplies, food, and weapons have been stored by local Muslims to support the fighters in this attack. The military has retreated to their bases while they figure out what to do. They say they are "securing" them rather than retreating, of course.



The Muslims have been pulling people out of their homes and holding them hostage. The neighborhood you are in is surrounded and they are starting to move in.





Scenario A: You are a tourist staying at a hotel and have whatever you can reasonably have in your luggage.



Scenario B: You are on an extended vacation and are staying with a local family and have what you would have plus what non-gunowners and non-preppers would have.



Scenario C: Same as B, but you've been telling them about survival/preparedness and they still have no guns but have maybe a beginner's level of preparedness.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#2
I've heard to many scary stories about the Philippines and Muslims. I think I will stay in Tennessee!
Message of Insight and Unity 

We go into the wilderness to fulfill our hearts and empty our minds of life's garbage.
The gear we leave behind and the challenges we encounter, 
Are methods we use to cleanse our spirits.
Of Survivalists and Bushcrafters, Primitive Technologists too, we are one.........

It is the wilderness within, we strive for first and always.
Not everyone can have a cabin in the mountains.
The thread that connects us, is fine like silk and strong as steel.
Together, the song of the wilderness is the song we sing!

"And can I say something else?"
Bushcrafting is "doing what you want to do." 
Survival is "doing what you have to do"
Primitive Technology is about all of the above........

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#3
Benjamin,



As a Tourist in a Hotel—assuming that I'm good at Survival like one of the better Hoodlums…



I want to get OUT of the City and INTO the far less populated countryside.



Now staying with a Family—whether they are prepared or not…



I've seen Dudes on "U" Tube make a very serviceable double recurve bow in six to eight hours. Arrowheads can be made from sheet metal, bone, glass and God knows how many other scavengeable things.



Note: This only works IF you've made several bows before AND you're a reasonable speed-shooting archer.



Primitive Crossbows can also be built in an afternoon—but they WILL be very crude. Nonetheless that may be the best option to arm your [size="2"]Compañeros.[/size]



A much simpler option to arm yourself is a Sling of David—but the weapon is little use to someone who hasn't gotten in plenty of practice.



Okay, are we assuming that our Terrorists are a few well-armed and reasonably well-trained semi-professionals? Or is one AK or AR toting Agitator leading 20-50 rabble armed with machetes, sickles, hoes, butcher knives, Molotov Cocktails, bricks and what not?



If 50 armed Dudes come to take your family away then the most that you can accomplish may be to force them to kill you. Surviving may not be an option.



But assuming that your compound isn't directly targeted—are you going to be under continual siege or are you going to have opportunities to go out and scavenge?



If you go out—you only have to survive ONE Duel with an AK-Toting Predator to become an AK-Toting Predator yourself.



Against rabble without Guns—Consider the merits of the Gambeson. You could throw one together fairly quickly with some denim and a sewing machine. Yeah, this is the Tropics—but how likely are you to trade blows with rabble?



I remember Muleskinner talking about how the Machete-Toting Bandits in Nigeria sometimes cut off the hands of their clients off if they weren't satisfied with the amount of cash on hand.



To [color="#ff0000"]HELL[/color] with that! If I'm going to lose my hands, I'd prefer to do it fighting rather than cringing docilely.



Anyway, If you ever go over to Matt Easton's[sub] {Scholargladitoria}[/sub] Channel on "U" Tube—he is a leading expert on HEMA—Historical European Martial Arts…



And I asked him what tactics he'd brush up on if going to a Machete-Wielding 3rd World Country.



Much Swordplay is an attempt to chop off the opponent's hand or forearm—It is Generally the closest thing to you and cripples are generally easy to Kill…



With a Sword with minimal protection, much Swordplay is centered around chopping the client's fingers off…



Yeah that's grim—that's why you don't fight if you can avoid it—but when you must fight it is more joyous to give than to receive.



Anyway—Matt says that the average Machete-Wielding Maniac will load up with blows aimed at the head and body but will seldom aim at one's arm or hand. Protect your fingers by keeping your hands well back until you strike. Parry a Primitive Pete chop at your head or body and then attack the Forearm—or even the upper arm.



I found website showing a fellow teaching traditional Machete Fighting either in Haiti or Jamaica—don't remember.



The cuts and blocks seemed choreographed; they used real Machetes and consequently there were no attacks on the hand or sliding down the blade to attack the fingers when blades were crossed.



Knowing the basics of Sword, Machete and Stick Fighting won't do you much good against a Master of Kali or Escrima…



However putting in a 20% effort will generally make you the master of 80% of the Random Violent Wingnuts that you might encounter. If you can stay calm yet be 100% Merciless then the number is probably closer to 95%…



Even when you're the better fighter animal fury and suicidal disregard of defense may cause the crudest of fighters to meet an expert on even terms…



Not to mention the MASTERS who outclass the mere Expert as mutes the Expert outclasses the rank and file…



But anyway…



That is my take.



O Yeah…




Also think of Priest Holes and Prepared Avenues of Escape.










…..RVM45
There are only Two Types of People in the World:



A.} People who are After My Guns;



and;



B.} People who are Not After My Guns.



Though I am forced to live in exile, in the Twenty-First century; I am still proud to be a Citizen of the Twentieth Century.



RVM45
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#4
<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/>/> ..... <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />/>/> Oh I can't decide easily the choices are not ideal: I guess scenario C...provided they are a friendly family, they could dress me in a burkah and say I am their sister in law, married to their dear brother (who is away the fighting the jihad and I am pregnant with a little dawah baby) and therefor the Uma says, I should be left un-molested; then secretly the family and I can wait out the duration of the conflict with our beginner level of preparedness...



However if they were not a family that is friendly toward the west, the I need scenario B, I would prefer they did not know of my prepping skills, and I'd steal a burkah or niqab, disappear and try to pay a driver to take me to the embassy....I'd need to find an someone to travel with me.



Scenario A sounds like a horrible position! like these poor hostages, sitting ducks in the hotel. https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safet...hilippines





Maybe try to steal a boat and sneak over to another Island that hasn't gone to the dogs yet, like the urban centre's of Basilan, entering from the North, into Christian territory, maybe I could get a gun or a ride out there?





"A majority of Basilan's Muslims are concentrated on the island's southern slopes. Christians reside mostly in the urban centers of Isabela and Lamitan on the island's northern coast, where they constitute a majority. Sizable Christian settlements are also found in the former multi-national plantations, for example Tairan, Lantawan; Tumahubong, Sumisip; Maluso Townsite, Maluso" wiki





AOC
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."--Thomas Jefferson

"Buy land- they are not making it anymore"- Mark Twain

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile €”hoping it will eat him last." -Winston Churchill

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#5
I'm basing this on the 2013 siege and other attacks.



I'm not sure of the accuracy of this article, but it was the quickest one to find:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamboanga_City_crisis



My dad told me that when talking to soldiers involved, they said that the number of people in the conflict and the number of casualties were higher than the media reports.





These types will usually be well-armed with M-16s and a few will have .50 sniper's rifles. Some were taken from dead soldiers and many more weapons were given to them by traitors in the military.





I'm going to estimate that if there is another siege there will probably be 1,000 active fighters.





Muslim neighborhoods will likely be safe areas insurgents can retreat to and areas where civilians, police, or soldiers will be shot if they enter. Two of the roads I took on trips out to the country went through Muslim neighborhoods.





They'd likely be spread out throughout the city, or more likely parts of the city, than all going after one neighborhood. I don't think they are brave enough to go too thin and try to take the whole city.





In the 2001 siege, they were going around the area pulling people out of their houses to use as hostages. A few did get a few terrorists into my family's compound. I'm typing this maybe 50 feet from the house where a bunch of neighbors gathered. Everyone had bolos and one guy brought an M-16 and my friend had a 1911. The house is made of concrete and I assume it can block bullets for a while. The police came, saw the terrorists, and ran. The army came but their "tank" got a flat tire and was stuck at the gate. I'm pretty sure my cousin was referring to an APC. Three or four terrorists tried to get in the front door and my friend answered the door with his 1911 pointed at them and told them to leave. Apparently they each did not want to be the guy to get shot so they all left.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#6
[quote name='TN RIDGE ROVER' timestamp='1451913448' post='606824']

I've heard to many scary stories about the Philippines and Muslims. I think I will stay in Tennessee!

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<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



Just saw this...what y'all don't have MILF's in Tennessee??





"The whole of the far south is a no-go zone: The areas of Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago and the Zamboanga Peninsula are all considered extremely dangerous and travelers are advised not to go there. The terrorist group Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has been blamed for a numerous violent incidents, kidnapping, and frequent clashes with the Filipino security forces.



Spinoff terrorist groups, like the Abu Sayyaf Group and Jema‘ah Islamiyah, have broken away from MILF and are particularly dangerous." https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safet...hilippines





<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' /> MILF...



AOC
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."--Thomas Jefferson

"Buy land- they are not making it anymore"- Mark Twain

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile €”hoping it will eat him last." -Winston Churchill

"Wilderness is in our hearts first and always. All of us can't have a cabin in the mountains. It's the wilderness within we must strive for first."- R. Sullivan
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#7
[quote name='adapt-overcome-conquer' timestamp='1451956002' post='606840']

<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/>/>/> ..... <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />/>/>/> Oh I can't decide easily the choices are not ideal: I guess scenario C...provided they are a friendly family, they could dress me in a burkah and say I am their sister in law, married to their dear brother (who is away the fighting the jihad and I am pregnant with a little dawah baby) and therefor the Uma says, I should be left un-molested; then secretly the family and I can wait out the duration of the conflict with our beginner level of preparedness...



However if they were not a family that is friendly toward the west, the I need scenario B, I would prefer they did not know of my prepping skills, and I'd steal a burkah or niqab, disappear and try to pay a driver to take me to the embassy....I'd need to find an someone to travel with me.



Scenario A sounds like a horrible position! like these poor hostages, sitting ducks in the hotel. https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safet...hilippines

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Those aren't choices, those are alternate scenarios.



The families in B and C are friendly and most likely Catholic, though I did see a Baptist church and few other churches.



I haven't seen a burka, but I see occasional women in the full black gown and "ninja" mask. I see a few every time I go to the mall, but for each of them there are maybe 20 or so with just the head scarf or a head scarf and mask. I saw one teenage Muslim girl with the head scarf and an American-style bandanna across her face like a cowboy, maybe that is a Muslim version of being a teenage rebel. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I also saw a big and tall person in a full black gown and a shiny helmet. I saw her from behind and considering that Star Wars was just released I thought it was someone cosplaying as Darth Vader <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> but it was a Muslim woman with a motorcycle helmet and she got on a motorcycle.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#8
The only reason I can think of to go to the Philipines is hot Asian women.



I am married thus not allowed to cavort with hot Asian women



Thus no reason to go to the Philipines



I will stay in America with my guns and snow.



Kid <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />
Live with honor, ride with truth.  Be friendly to others.  But always carry a gun on your side and a knife in your boot because there are those that do not feel the same as this.


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#9
[quote name='adapt-overcome-conquer' timestamp='1451956703' post='606842']

[quote name='TN RIDGE ROVER' timestamp='1451913448' post='606824']

I've heard to many scary stories about the Philippines and Muslims. I think I will stay in Tennessee!

[/quote]







[Image: laugh.gif] [Image: laugh.gif] [Image: laugh.gif]



Just saw this...what y'all don't have MILF's in Tennessee??





"The whole of the far south is a no-go zone: The areas of Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago and the Zamboanga Peninsula are all considered extremely dangerous and travelers are advised not to go there. The terrorist group Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has been blamed for a numerous violent incidents, kidnapping, and frequent clashes with the Filipino security forces.



Spinoff terrorist groups, like the Abu Sayyaf Group and Jema'ah Islamiyah, have broken away from MILF and are particularly dangerous." [url="https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/philippines/areas-to-avoid-in-the-philippines"]https://www.worldnom...the-philippines[/url]





[Image: tongue.gif] MILF...



AOC

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No we don't have any Moronic Islamic Liberation Front folks in Tn, but we do have more than enough of that other group in Tn. Enough to keep me broke anyway!<img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />/>
Message of Insight and Unity 

We go into the wilderness to fulfill our hearts and empty our minds of life's garbage.
The gear we leave behind and the challenges we encounter, 
Are methods we use to cleanse our spirits.
Of Survivalists and Bushcrafters, Primitive Technologists too, we are one.........

It is the wilderness within, we strive for first and always.
Not everyone can have a cabin in the mountains.
The thread that connects us, is fine like silk and strong as steel.
Together, the song of the wilderness is the song we sing!

"And can I say something else?"
Bushcrafting is "doing what you want to do." 
Survival is "doing what you have to do"
Primitive Technology is about all of the above........

By TNRR aka "Survival Sully"
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#10
[quote name='Kid Couteau' timestamp='1451959732' post='606844']

The only reason I can think of to go to the Philipines is hot Asian women.



I am married thus not allowed to cavort with hot Asian women



Thus no reason to go to the Philipines



I will stay in America with my guns and snow.



Kid <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />/>

[/quote]



For any single guys who go for this reason, make sure your in-country cell phone is working properly and carry it with you. It is not really helpful when a girl wants your number and you tell her your cell service isn't working well so you left your phone at home and did not bother remembering the number. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#11
Regarding Weapons



On the topic of large blades, many will have them but not many will be good at using them as weapons. This would go for both good and bad guys. Like I mentioned on a post on bolos, there is a bolo shop nearby where you can buy read-made bolos of various sizes and shapes as well as special order one to your specifications.These types of shops are probably scattered around.



A bolo will generally be a better weapon than a machete due to the blade being a convex grind starting from the spine and ending at the edge, rather than being a flat stamped piece of metal with only the edge sharpened. I'd probably still prefer a Cold Steel Gladius Machete due to the design, but a bolo will do. I'd choose a light and thin one with good reach. I was using one with a heavy forward-swept blade when I was chopping wood, but the balance is off for a weapon.



Arnis is generally the preferred term for FMA in the Philippines. Eskrima is less common and people usually won't recognize the term. "Kali" is a made-up term for FMA and comes from the US. My theory was that it was an intentional joke to see if anyone caught on to the term and its relation to the region the term came from, which is California. Americans go to the Philippines and ask people if they can train in Kali when the best place to train in "Kali" is Cali. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/> Some Filipinos now use the term because some Americans will pay to learn "Kali" but not Arnis. There were debates on FMA List 15 or so years ago between actual Filipinos in the Philippines and Americans who learned fake Filipino history from FMA instructors in Cali. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/>



On the practical side, however, FMA is pretty much all the same. The real importance is aquiring the speed, timing, reflexes, sensitivity, and power from the training, along with basic attacks and counters and a few techniques, and can apply what you learn.



A couple years ago I made a few homemade bows for my brother's kids. I took the PVC horsebow design from the youtube channel "The Backyard Bowyer" and made a few bows which were approx 20#. Using heavier pipe these could be made at heavier weights, I think the one on the video was around 40#. I'm not an archer so I guess I should try to learn next spring. It should work on someone entering your house.



I've also made atlatls in the US so they'd probably be doable here as well. They don't really have stores like Lowes, Menards, or Home Depot so trips for actual home repair/improvement projects can require multiple trips to various small stores, and improvised weapons project might go the same way. Shopping is very difficult here compared to the US.



Crossbows are available to some extent. One guy I know has one. It was larger than a typical pistol crossbow but not full sized and it was made of wood, so it was probably local rather than those Chinese models available at gun shows and flea markets.



Blowguns are available and are also easy to make. The ones I've seen have cone darts made from golf tees cut in half with a thin nail or a piece of hanger wire inserted for the tip.



There is a type of spud gun variation available here. It think it is a grey area legally and also more something kids play with rather than a serious weapon, but some people keep them for defense. People shoot marbles from it and power it with denatured alcohol. Maybe making arts out of rebar would work if the gun is powerful enough.



I haven't seen any pneumatic or spring piston air guns but several people I know have PCP rifles, one being a PCP/pump combo. These rifles are loaded with an air tank but the air tank doesn't stay attached, and have a certain number of shots per charge, and are bolt-action with .22 pellets.



On the topic of firearms, I kept them out of this set of scenarios because people are unlikely to have them. You actually need three licenses to carry one, I think one to buy, one to won, and one to carry, and a forth if you want to carry during a political campaign season. Each one is expensive. Those I know who do have firearms tend to have M-16s for their long arms and either a Glock or 1911 for the handgun, with the 1911 being more popular. The 1911s have the various fancy custom parts like you'd see in the US and the guys I know with Glocks have a selective-fire switch on the back of the slide and optional stocks. One guy was surprised when I told him that his stock was illegal in the US since it was just a piece of plastic. Ammunition is expensive so I haven't seen them shoot them full-auto.
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#12
Regarding Food and Water-





Someone living here full-time would have a better perspective of what is available, I'm pretty much translating my knowledge of preparedness in the US to what I've seen here during this trip.



Many people drink bottled water since the regular water is bad. Various sizes of bottles are sold in stores including large ones appropriate for storage. Strangely they don't sell it those sports bottles with the flip-open lids that I like. I'll send a bunch of lids in my next shipment to the RP. Considering this, water preps would be pretty much the same as in the US.



I know one guy who taps into an underground spring on his property and has a couple thousand gallons of water in storage tanks if I heard what he said correctly. Not many people have this however.



Food is more difficult to store and bugs are more likely to get into things. Houses also generally have less storage space than the same sized houses in the US, at least among those I've seen.



Canned goods are common. SPAM is very popular, the groceries stores have more SPAM than my bulk mail folder. I haven't eaten that since I was a kid, but it would be better than nothing. Just figure out what you like and stock up. Due to transportation issues it is more difficult to just buy in bulk than in the US, so buying extra cans each shopping trip would be the way to go for most people.



I have not seen any energy bars since I arrived here until my shipment came in 2.5 months late.



Small food stores and restaurants are common and seem to be lining every street, so these people might run into the houses right behind their stores if they are attacked and could bring food with them. Of course some of them would live in those houses.











Here's some details about the food situation at our compound. I don't know about every house, just my parents' house and the yard. There is a small pantry with canned goods, both local and shipped from the US. I don't consider it big by any stretch, I even had better food stores when I was in college, but it is a lot for here, and a siege would not be a total collapse. If the siege last more than a couple weeks there would be more problems. I'm pretty sure the relatives in the other houses don't store anything. They think my mom's storage is large, and that is really just so we have some American food here.



During an active siege, meaning that the attackers are nearby, it would not be a good idea to go outside. In between attacks you could, and there is food out there.



There is a large garden and many fruit trees in the yard. The trees grow fruit year-round but they don't always have ripe fruit on them.



There are two small flocks of ducks, one a local type of mixed breeds and the other a flock of Muscoveys. There are also chickens that roam around, I'm guessing maybe 30 of them. I think geese would be a good idea for an alarm. There are a lot of eggs each day.



There are a few goats which might distract and occupy the attackers for a while if they behave like their Middle Eastern counterparts.



There is also a chicken farm bordering the compound as well as a small pig pen outside the back gate. That gate might be somewhat safe. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



There is a pork BBQ stand near the compound, and if the owners/workers flee to the compound I'll tell them to bring their product with them. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> We could also shoot used pork skewers through spud guns. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
"Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as the king can." Benjamin Martin, The Patriot
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#13
[quote name='Benjamin Liu' timestamp='1452083336' post='606879']

Regarding Food and Water-





There is a pork BBQ stand near the compound, and if the owners/workers flee to the compound I'll tell them to bring their product with them. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/>/> We could also shoot used pork skewers through spud guns. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />/>/>

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Sounds like a good start to the preps, along with the local food.



yeah launch the......BACON BOMBZ ... <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />/>





AOC
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."--Thomas Jefferson

"Buy land- they are not making it anymore"- Mark Twain

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile €”hoping it will eat him last." -Winston Churchill

"Wilderness is in our hearts first and always. All of us can't have a cabin in the mountains. It's the wilderness within we must strive for first."- R. Sullivan
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#14
[quote name='Benjamin Liu' timestamp='1451891625' post='606818']

Here's the scenario. You are in a Philippine city Mindanao and the Muslims decide to take over. While claiming to be part of a "Peace Caravan" they use the stupidity of the government allowing them entrance to attack. This group of attackers is met by local supporters and members who entered the city covertly. Supplies, food, and weapons have been stored by local Muslims to support the fighters in this attack. The military has retreated to their bases while they figure out what to do. They say they are "securing" them rather than retreating, of course.



The Muslims have been pulling people out of their homes and holding them hostage. The neighborhood you are in is surrounded and they are starting to move in.





Scenario A: You are a tourist staying at a hotel and have whatever you can reasonably have in your luggage.



Scenario B: You are on an extended vacation and are staying with a local family and have what you would have plus what non-gunowners and non-preppers would have.



Scenario C: Same as B, but you've been telling them about survival/preparedness and they still have no guns but have maybe a beginner's level of preparedness.

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I was born in the Philippines, became Canadian, and am now an American so I may have some bias in my response <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />



Scenario A:



If you are easily identified as a non-native, you are kinda screwed because the hotel is probably going to be specifically targeted for hostages. Escape via the kitchen if at all possible. Steal bladery and victuals if possible while passing through. As we have learned from another thread on this forum, steal a motorcycle for your escape and head for the direction of the nearest military base or private helicopter charter.



If you cannot escape, pass through the kitchen anyway for the same reasons and look for the utilities/mechanicals rooms to hide out. Have a flashlight and look for keys hanging in obvious places. Head towards the basement, if there is one. There will be more opportunities for hiding there than anywhere else unless you have already scoped out another spot when you arrived at the hotel.



Scenario B & C:



Same as above - escape if possible. If it is not possible because the area is already surrounded, the last thing I would want is a fight. I would look for a better place to hide if at all possible - hide in the pig pen, water tower, etc. Strategically move to a house that has already been ransacked and secure one strong room with easy escape. Quickly designate young runners who will serve as sentries for an early warning to escape/move and buy time.



If fighting is inevitable, change my surroundings using vehicles, etc. to create constrictions to their offense. I would be sourcing out squirt guns, lighters, WD-40, hairspray, gasoline, and anything and everything that is a propellant and we will all burn together if I have no escape. With constrictions, I would be looking for simple sharpened long bamboo poles as spears to finish off those stuck in kill zones and still having sufficient stand off.



Whether or not your host family has preps does not matter too much to me if the devil is at your door "right now". There a re lots of cats and dogs all over the place <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />
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By "neighborhood" I was referring to a unit called a Barangay, not something really small like a cul-de-sac or block.







I haven't thought of bamboo for some reason, there is a good amount of it in the compound, and I suspect others will have it was well. My dad uses them for walking sticks/snake sticks. I did try to make an atlatl and dart last month but it didn't really turn out well.



I guess they could also be cut into punji stakes with pig manure added to the tips.



I'm not sure the thing about eating dogs and cats is true at this point, maybe in the past and maybe if there is an food shortage. There are a lot of stray dogs at this time which are a health/safety threat with about 400 bites per year in this city and an incompetent animal control department which pretty much just sits around looking busy. On the positive side, if there are many strays running around then anyone who wants to eat them will have his pick. <img src='http://hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I know that people have killed stray dogs with PCP .22 pellet guns, so those are powerful enough. These are not big dogs like in the US, but their bites can carry diseases.
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